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dragonfire1970 -> Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 12:10:12 PM)
The local club in Commerce City Co, the Enclave, is in need of help. The Courts have permited that the BDSM club can operate as a adult licensed club at their last judgment. Now Commerce City is hitting them with a new angle (Zoning)..and taking it to the state supreme court. This can drag on for years. The club needs support to fight for our rights .. By having a safe place to play and meet, with consenting adults without sex, for many of us is a release to be able to socialize in a place of our own. The owners support the active community and give the BDSM community a safe haven to turn too. This tactical maneuver by Commerce City is one that could drive the club in to the ground! Facts are they were given permission to operate at the current address, and now that the adult club license was granted, the city took another approach to step on our life style choices. The club is called the Enclave...enclavewest.com..please send them a supporting letter or a donation for fighting for your rights... please put aside are petty differences for the greater good

Lordandmaster -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 12:32:41 PM)
Sounds like your club is in for a long and probably unsuccessful fight. Municipalities that don't want BDSM clubs find all sorts of ways to put them out of business. I sympathize and hope you guys win, but if I'm going to support a cause, it'll be right here in Philadelphia, where we no longer have a public BDSM club either.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 12:45:38 PM)
The city set a trap and the club fell for it. If a city wants to screw with you based on zoning, they will win, period. The only way around it is if there are political forces (money or influence) who support you and can operate behind the scenes. If it isn't this issue, it will be another. The way to win this is to get all the locals who frequent this club (especially if there are people from out of town who stay in hotels and eat in restaraunts) to put economic pressure on local businesses. Armed with that, start shopping local towns who WOULD welcome that business and either use that as another threat or simply move and take your business somewhere you would be welcomed. Problem is Colorado is a right wing religious nutcase factory, you are probably fucked.

Sinergy -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 1:43:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Problem is Colorado is a right wing religious nutcase factory, you are probably fucked. Problem is bigger than that, Michael. A lot of those right-wing religious nutcases manufactured in Colorado also rail against homosexual sex and sins of avarice from their pulpits while while regularly consorting with homosexual prostitutes and embezzling money from various lobbies or bribing politicians. The term for this is "double fucked" or "proper fucked." Sinergy

CreativeDominant -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 5:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dragonfire1970 The local club in Commerce City Co, the Enclave, is in need of help. The Courts have permited that the BDSM club can operate as a adult licensed club at their last judgment. Now Commerce City is hitting them with a new angle (Zoning)..and taking it to the state supreme court. This can drag on for years. The club needs support to fight for our rights .. By having a safe place to play and meet, with consenting adults without sex, for many of us is a release to be able to socialize in a place of our own. The owners support the active community and give the BDSM community a safe haven to turn too. This tactical maneuver by Commerce City is one that could drive the club in to the ground! Facts are they were given permission to operate at the current address, and now that the adult club license was granted, the city took another approach to step on our life style choices. The club is called the Enclave...enclavewest.com..please send them a supporting letter or a donation for fighting for your rights... please put aside are petty differences for the greater good dragonfire...if you will send me a note offline, I can get the address from you to send a donation. I helped with the Labyrinth...til they got busted...and with Uncommon Ground, so I would love to help with the Enclave too. I have not had a chance to visit there for about 6 months. Saw the article about them in Westword and was happy for them. By the way...I am conservative if that makes a difference but not a right wing nutcase. And oddly enough, as a conservative, I support gay rights and abortion. Hmmmmmmmm...such a contradiction I am.

becca333 -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 5:45:31 PM)
How about you look at the main opponents who are railing against the club, then find out their little personal habits - eg homosexual prostitutes. I'm not talking blackmail or anything illegal, just plaster the pix all over the local papers and the net. Let them use their energy coping with the scandal.

aldompdx -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 8:19:24 PM)
Let it go. Start again and create a private cooperative -- where each "member" is an owner in a a residence which they identify as a secondary home. This will place the residence under the "safe harbor" of Lawrence v. Texas (U.S. Supreme Court Decision). That prohibits the state from regulating conduct within YOUR home. The key issue is making the abode "YOUR" personal home. There is no requirement that it be your primary abode, so any ownership interest should suffice.

sweetkahi -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 8:22:06 PM)
Isn't that just adding more mud to the mudflinging? I dont' see how creating more problems helps to solve the issue.

sweetkahi -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 8:26:15 PM)
Since someone has to start it, have you looked into the legalities and the issues concerning this option? I dont' think the people who have already invested thier hearts, money and souls into this club can Let it Go. At this point, it is simply a legal issue. There are no current zoning issues that the Enclave is not complimant with. If the club wasn't compliant with the zoning, it would already be closed. As it is, the city only has the option of bitching about petty little things in the hopes that they bleed this club, and those who support it, dry. You can read the reports point of view at http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system/ I hope others realize that this isn't about a local club that is having problems, but about the first nationally licensed BDSM club in the United States. IMHO, sweetkahi

LadyPact -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/2/2007 10:59:19 PM)
If you think it's tough closer to Denver, try getting into the scene in Co Sprgs! That's where I came from, prior to moving to GA. Now I live in another city (Augusta) with similar ordinances, and it's even more restrictive here than it was there. I'm talking the actual home base of Amendment 2, James Dobson, and Focus on the Family. Back then, We all used to have bumper stickers on our cars to show support that read....... Focus on your own damn family!

thetammyjo -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/3/2007 6:35:54 AM)
If you want to fight for your rights (any rights) then I suggest supporting and working for political candidates who have no interest in dictating your private life. Don't just believe the rhetoric, look at their record of voting and speaking over many years. Just because someone says they want "smaller government" does not mean they won't use that "smaller government" to get into your bedrooms instead of looking at other matters like education or health.

SubinMaine -> RE: Lets fight for are rights (7/3/2007 10:55:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Sounds like your club is in for a long and probably unsuccessful fight. Municipalities that don't want BDSM clubs find all sorts of ways to put them out of business. I sympathize and hope you guys win, but if I'm going to support a cause, it'll be right here in Philadelphia, where we no longer have a public BDSM club either. i have to agree with this...and i also wish you luck in your fight.... Reading this post and the replies makes me mourn (yet again) the loss of Man-Ray in Boston...sigh

dragonfire1970 -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/3/2007 11:55:04 AM)
Thank you for wanting to help.

Archer -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/3/2007 12:03:38 PM)
BTW I assume if you're fighting things like this that you have a standing membership in NCSF and contribute whatever beyond that you can. www.ncsfreedom.org

Celeste43 -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/3/2007 3:22:35 PM)
Are you saying that this club was in violation of the zoning restrictions but that it opened up illegally anyway? Or are you saying that the moment you decided to open the club the city changed the zoning there? Very different things going on in those two scenarios. All I can think of here is the prodomme who rented out a private house on a private school's grounds in Bedford, New York which was zoned noncommercial and decided to announce she was being victimized for running an adult business in a residential only zone and in violation of state laws concerning how close you can have an adult business to a school or child care center. Is there a link to a newspaper coverage of the planning board/zoning board meetings?

dragonfire1970 -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/4/2007 4:39:28 AM)
After Commerce City denied a local private BDSM club a sexually oriented business license, the club's owners, Michael R. and Deb O'Keefe, took the city to court ("Fit to Be Tied," April 12). The Colorado Court of Appeals found in their favor and ordered the city to award the Enclave an official SOB license ("Legally Binding," April 19). Despite its beating in court, Commerce City isn't ready to submit. Last week the city announced it would appeal the decision to the Colorado Supreme Court. "We intend to ask the Supreme Court to hear the case, and if they do, we believe we have a shot at getting the Court of Appeals' decision overturned," says Commerce City Assistant City Attorney Tom Merrigan. "We filed for a motion of extension of time to file a [Supreme Court Appeal]. The Supreme Court granted our request for an extension of time. That means we have until June 25 to do that, and we expect to do that sooner. I also take that as a sign that they have some interest in the case." The fact that Michael and Deb's case may make it to the state's highest court sets an encouraging precedent for kinky communities nationwide. "This is big for the BDSM community," says Susan Wright, spokesperson for National Coalition for Sexual Freedom. Municipalities have usually been able to quickly close down controversial BDSM clubs on what Wright calls "administrative trivia" — such as whether all fire and zoning codes were met — without facing the political quandary of whether to consider the BDSM activities themselves. But because Michael and Deb made sure every operation at the Enclave was above board, Commerce City has to attempt to take the fight to the highest court in the state. "We're right, that's why we're still here," says Michael. "Commerce City is just dragging this through the courts, hoping we'll go bankrupt." If that's the case, he has some bad news for city officials: "We have had twice as many members come down since the Court of Appeals decision. People feel safer now that the court has said we are entitled to be here."

Alumbrado -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/4/2007 8:04:39 AM)
The information provided isn't clear.. the club is licensed, but they were denied a permit? The club is in an area zoned for adult businesses, but they are being cited for zoning violations? And what does 'nationally licensed' mean? Other cities have played these sorts of games with clubs, but in some cases where those clubs came into compliance, (usually by relocating to areas zoned for adult or multi-use) they were able to keep a low profile and be left alone. Is this club intending on being high profile in an area not set up for such? In that case, I'm not sure that any money in support would ever be enough to prevail legally

Vithirax -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/10/2007 1:55:37 AM)
The club is(was) opperating under a temporary permit while going thru the supreme court, they are in a area zoned for adult buisness and intent on keeping a relativly low profile, the zoning violations are thus, there is a zone surrounder by industrial zone that is currently a 'developmental zone' and it is Commerce City's present argument that a school, or child care facility may be erected in that area, however, that is not going to be the case and they damn well know it..... From speaking with Mike myself and the reading I have done Commerce City is attempting to bankrumpt the buisness (Adult BDSM) club because they have 'moral objection' or simply do not want to be associated with having an adult BDSM club based in their city. Commerce City simply does not want the club in their city and is finding any argument they can possibly use to try and bankrumpt Tne Enclave IMHO. Vith quote: provided isn't clear.. the club is licensed, but they were denied a permit? The club is in an area zoned for adult businesses, but they are being cited for zoning violations? And what does 'nationally licensed' mean? Other cities have played these sorts of games with clubs, but in some cases where those clubs came into compliance, (usually by relocating to areas zoned for adult or multi-use) they were able to keep a low profile and be left alone. Is this club intending on being high profile in an area not set up for such? In that case, I'm not sure that any money in support would ever be enough to prevail legally _____________________________ "The human condition is advanced, not through conformity, but through aberration". H.L. Mencken

chellekitty -> RE: Lets fight for our rights (7/10/2007 12:05:05 PM)
FR there is a long running argument in San Antonio between a church and a strip club...varius laws say an adult business can't be within x distance of a church...well, thats all fine and dandy, but the church opened AFTER the strip club...and though this church has been trying to get the strip club shut down for years if not decades, it just won't work... the government can't have it one way but not the other...you can't open your adult busniess within x distance of a church or school or child care facility, and you can't open those things within x distance of an adult business, well, at least not and expect the government to back you up...it goes along with the whole you can't be punished for a crime that wasn't a crime when you committed it... good luck on keeping it open...but can i just point out cause it drives me nuts every time i see it that the word is our not are...one indicates a collective possessive the other is plural for is.... chelle

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