Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness

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selfbnd411 -> Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/29/2007 9:54:14 PM)
Deputies Find Diabetic Man Kicked Off Train Passenger Barefoot, Dehydrated, Disoriented, Deputies Say POSTED: 9:32 am EDT June 29, 2007 UPDATED: 11:19 am EDT June 29, 2007 WILLIAMS, Ariz. -- A 65-year-old St. Louis man who went missing Sunday night after Amtrak personnel, mistaking his diabetic shock for drunk and disorderly behavior, kicked him off a train in the middle of a national forest, has been found two miles from where he was dropped off, according to police in Williams. Police said Roosevelt Sims, a factory worker who had just retired last week, was discovered Thursday night walking along the railroad tracks barefoot by Coconino County sheriff's deputies. Deputies said he was dehydrated and disoriented. He was rushed to a Flagstaff hospital for emergency treatment, deputies said. Sims headed to Los Angeles but was asked to leave the train shortly before 10 p.m. Sunday at a railroad crossing five miles outside Williams. Amtrak personnel told police dispatchers that Sims was drunk and unruly. The Sims family said Sims is diabetic and was going into shock. "He was let off in the middle of a national forest, which is about 800,000 acres of beautiful pine trees," Lt. Mike Graham said. Police said there is no train station or running water at the crossing, which is about two miles from the nearest road, at an elevation of about 8,000 feet. Amtrak, in a statement released late Thursday, said it followed company policy. "The conductor and the passenger waited on the platform with the passenger's luggage," the statement said. "Upon arrival of authorities, the passenger fled into nearby woods." When officers arrived at the crossing, police said, they found Sims had left his luggage and medication behind. Sims' brother, Brian Mason, said his family tried to call Sims on his cell phone that night, but he was incoherent. Cell phone records show that Sims' phone was last used in Litchfield Park, Ariz., 180 miles from Williams. Williams police told Phoenix television station KPHO that Amtrak has used the abandoned crossing as a drop-off site in the past. Graham said that whether drunk or not, no one should be dropped off there. "You don't put anyone off in an area like that," Graham said. http://www.wpxi.com/news/13593800/detail.html

winterlight -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/29/2007 10:18:01 PM)
how cruel and inhumane is that? I would have asked him if he was diabetic...but that is me... They ought to be sued for that..in my opinion and i am not a sue person...but that just goes beyond the pale..

selfbnd411 -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/29/2007 10:27:14 PM)
I totally agree...even if we give the train's crew the benefit of the doubt that he seemed drunk rather than in shock, there's no reason they couldn't have waited an extra 5 minutes and dropped him off in Williams.

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 4:27:52 AM)
ugh this brought back a memory for me........we had a new child start at the school i was working at years ago..........he would sit, almost lethargic, or be such a problem to his teacher by acting up, she would send him to the office. realize his parents had come to register him, and just dropped him at the door the next day. after 2 days, the counselor and the nurse sat down with him asking pointed questions.....it turned out this child was severely diabetic, the behaviors were due to his blood sugar skyrocketing or falling straight to the bottom. and his parents had failed to even MENTION this, or even note it on his registration paperwork. with the help of social workers, we were able to get him meds, and he was required to go get his meds and blood sugar tested before lunch every day. i had to choose what he was allowed to eat based on his blood sugar reading. i know some diabetics wear bracelets or necklaces-i hope all folks that deal with strangers daily can be taught to look for the signs of this disease.........this is scary stuff.

Eldritchdancer -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 5:03:27 AM)
Seeks The child should have been removed from the home for his own protection. I'm a father and the behavior listed is appalling and abhorrent to me. Talk about gross neglect and a severe lack of parenting skills. shudders Master Darkmoon

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 5:40:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Eldritchdancer Seeks The child should have been removed from the home for his own protection. I'm a father and the behavior listed is appalling and abhorrent to me. Talk about gross neglect and a severe lack of parenting skills. shudders Master Darkmoon dfacs became actively involved in watching that family-as i left for manager training shortly after he came to my school, i have no idea how it turned out. and i agree*shudders*

Raechard -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 11:52:59 AM)
It’s a common occurrence unfortunately. More needs to be done to increase public awareness.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 12:22:30 PM)
Heh...nice to know that even government agencies have picked up on the typical corporate bullshit line. quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 Amtrak, in a statement released late Thursday, said it followed company policy.

luckydog1 -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 3:23:33 PM)
"The conductor and the passenger waited on the platform with the passenger's luggage," the statement said. "Upon arrival of authorities, the passenger fled into nearby woods." This is a little unclear and at odds with the premise that he was "dropped off in the woods". It seems to be saying he was never left anywhere, that he "fled" his ride into town. The sheriff seems to be making a bit of a CYA statement here, it sounds like his deputies were unable to retrieve a 65 year old diabetic ex factory worker(or perhaps they did not even try). It is very sad that a 65 year old man who (apperantly) can't manage his diabetes was travelling alone, and that no one else realised what was going on. But it does seem to make sense to get a dispurptive passenger off the train ASAP and to do it in a quiet place makes more sense than bringing him to town. What a horrible tragedy all around. I do not think Amtrak should be sued for a passenger fleeing into the woods.

mnottertail -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 3:35:19 PM)
Ja, don't stop me, I am running away........what a snorer that would have made on cops. Amtrak and the County should be sued the shit out of. Bad boys bad boys Whatcha gonna do Whatcha gonna do when they shuffle from you

instynctive -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 5:08:47 PM)
HAHAHAHAHAHA

LeMis -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (6/30/2007 6:03:46 PM)
That is awful, [&:] I keep imagining "what if", what IF that was my brother or father or mother... omg.... aren't there medical personnel aboard who could have noticed the symtoms and intervened? [8\|]

Alumbrado -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (7/1/2007 5:40:07 AM)
quote: ....aren't there medical personnel aboard who could have noticed the symtoms and intervened? That would be 'The Love Boat', not Amtrak.[:D]

philosophy -> RE: Diabetic in Shock Kicked Off Amtrak Train in Wilderness (7/1/2007 9:23:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ....aren't there medical personnel aboard who could have noticed the symtoms and intervened? That would be 'The Love Boat', not Amtrak.[:D] ...or maybe just more people need to know first aid.......

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