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Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 8:51:35 AM   
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The third attempt to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform has failed in the Senate. By a vote of 46 to 53, the Senate failed by 14 votes to acquire the 60 aye votes needed to cut off debate and send the bill to the floor for a final vote.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q1TBO80&show_article=1
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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 11:53:56 AM   
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The third attempt to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform has failed in the Senate. By a vote of 46 to 53, the Senate failed by 14 votes to acquire the 60 aye votes needed to cut off debate and send the bill to the floor for a final vote.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q1TBO80&show_article=1


The American People have spoken.
Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina said on Lou Dobb's show that his phone calls-E-mails were runing "better than 95% against this Bill."
Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire said that his e-mails and phone calls were running "ninety to ten against this Bill."
It was pretty clear that The People wanted no part of this Bush/Kennedy Amnesty Bill.
For once The People prevailed!
And now, we're going to be replacing some Senators in the next few elections.
They ignore The People at their own political peril!


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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:04:22 PM   
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These fellers are really out there earning that extra 44 hundred bucks, ain't they?

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:05:23 PM   
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i would not celebrate just yet.

the powers that be will stop at nothing to get profit.

when the big train wreck comes - i wonder if countries outside the US will notice.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:15:51 PM   
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I have to agree that this bill was opposed by the vast majority of people, and I'm glad to see it defeated ... even though I'm generally in favor of the actual bill.
 
To me, it's more important to see the will of the majority upheld, than to get my own way.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:27:53 PM   
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a good time to point out that existing law has been ignored for years.... after all- thats how it got so bad.

i hate to sound like a soar looser. but i clearly remember Reagan saying the amnesty was a once in a lifetime offer/deal.  this was 1986.  so 2007 is still my lifetime. and many others.

for as shallow as Americans are- im impressed a good number rememberred the once in a lifetime promise!!

How the FKKK did so many arrive in just 20 years?????

BTW- KTLA repoarted 90% of Californians did not want Amnesty- per Hall Fishman 10 pm news. [satilite- as I live in PA]

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:32:36 PM   
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They scammed us 21 years ago with the same thing but it's not going to work again.
Ted Kennedy said that it would cost us "$6 billion to deport all these people back to their own countries."
Now, (after a few cocktails probably) he's trying to tell us that ,"it will cost us $250 billion to send these people back to their own countries."
Did he lose a decimal point somewhere?
There's a lot of area between "$6 billion and...$250 Billion!"
That $250b would still be a lot cheaper than the $2.6Trillion that this "Bill" would have cost the American Taxpayers!
And Bush slipped up the other day by referring to this Bill as,..."This Amnesty Bill" lol
Of course the W.H. "redacted" that statement!


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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:37:20 PM   
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TOO bad smirks ..Its all it nothing for bush that little sawed off sob...after all he needs the Hispanic vote don't you know,needs to keep millions of law breakers her to pick the crops and care for the children of the elite upper crust..I say fuck the Hispanic vote...AS I remember correctly ol' DAVY CROCKETT was a helluva politician and he was down there shooting the hell of of ol' SANTA  troops without worrying about the Hispanic VOTE smiles...WE need "forgive me" I feel a rant coming on.WE need to give the border patrol,ICE and the national guard some teeth like big dogs,bring home the GUARD,give them a rest and put them back on the border doing what they are for in the first place TO GUARD OUT NATION AGAINST THE INVASION...MY rant is sedated now off to my fishing cee ya...bounty

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:39:34 PM   
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What this amounts to is simply distrust with the government. The people did not trust the government and there is more than enough reasons not too...

Senator Vitter from Lousiana, who is an attorney, said that the whole thing is a sham because there is nothing in the bill that stated that the $4.4 billion in emergency funding would go to border security. He said the provision stated in confusing "legalese" that the money can be used basically for anything the administration wanted...including funding the amnesty program. In other words, President Bush attempted to buy conservative support for this bill by making a hollow promise to increase border security which he had no intention of doing.

And the way this bill was written and debated showed that there was something behind the scenes trying to railroad this bill through without debate and without the ability of senators to offer amendments. Senators did not even have the 400-page amendment package until 1:00 PM yesturday, yet Harry Reid was forcing a up or down vote on all of them and then wanted an up or down vote as early as Friday on the entire 800-page bill.

The whole process was a farce and an insult to the democratic process. And don't assume this is over. There is a lot of influence and money behind this bill. And the only thing standing in the way is the people.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:50:59 PM   
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That's all we need to block corrupt "bills" like this,..."The People!"
They just said on "The Howie Carr Show" out of Boston that we're going to be seeing John McCain's numbers dropping more now.
And here in S. Carolina we'll be throwing Senator Lindsey Graham out on his *ASS* in 2008.
I think more than a few Senators are going to lose their jobs over this in the next two elections.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 12:56:41 PM   
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90% of Americans opposed this bill. By the time the 2008 vote comes around, 90% of Americans will not remember this bill ever existed.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 1:01:36 PM   
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90% of Americans opposed this bill. By the time the 2008 vote comes around, 90% of Americans will not remember this bill ever existed.


I dont know about that... I dont remember a bill that caused this much controversy in so many years. And I assure you the GOP candidates will make this an election year issue.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 1:29:09 PM   
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I just got an e-mail from Bay Buchanan, Pat's sister.
She said that just before the vote Senators Lindsey Graham and Arlen Spector were urging their colleagues not to pay attention to the overwhelming number of phone calls from their constituents.
And get this, Senator Spector said that "We can't let *PUBLIC OPINION* affect how the Senate votes!"
Oh? What an *ASSHOLE!*
How out-of -touch is He with The People to be making such a statement?
Hopefully, the good People of Pennsylvania will give him the Bum's Rush when *HE* comes up for re-election!

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 1:40:36 PM   
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90% of Americans opposed this bill. By the time the 2008 vote comes around, 90% of Americans will not remember this bill ever existed.


Caitlyn, I disagree.
If I were running for Senate against Lindsey Graham , Arlen Spector or a dozen other Senators I'd be *pounding them into the ground* on this issue alone!
When they go against 90% of their constituents it just shows how jaded and out of touch they are with "The People."
A lot of Senators put in their retirement papers today.
They just don't know it yet!

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 1:43:36 PM   
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I am very glad this bill didn't make it.  I had to go to social services for my disabled adult son.  We were the only non Hispanics there and everyone working the front desk had to speak Spanish.  I was the worst dressed person there and I had far less gold on.  I have no beef with the Hispanic people and had I been born in Mexico, I might be crossing that boarder too... seeing as though it was allowed for so long and there are those amnesty bills that do get passed every twenty years or so.  But as one who is now forced to ask the tax payers to pay for the mistakes the hospital made in creating my son's disability, with no recourse because we have medical malpractice caps no law firm will take on, I want to lessen the burden on the tax payers if I can. 

I do not get enough money to support my son and although I am disabled, I do not live on tax payer funds.  I cannot get medical and that is another story.  The clinic I have to go to was created for migrant workers (not American poor) and is mostly funded by tax payers.  There I am begging for help with medications and watching a man who can speak no English with a Medicaid card with a long list of names, get it.  Children born in America to illegal residents.

I grew up in California and watched as an undeclared war of ‘take back our land’ was allowed and the influx of illegal immigrants took over.  I have watched as housing developers gave jobs away and the American construction workers end up needing the services offered to the illegals in social benefits, be denied them.  We already take care of the schooling, medical and living expenses of many of the children of these illegals and their parents get benefits in clinics created for them.  Enough is enough.

I have written letters and made calls to all sorts of people, media, agencies and the government trying to tell what happened to the people I used to advocate for and in my son’s situation and found that many were focused on the needs of the illegal immigrants and had no time for the issues of Americans.  No one wants to talk about certain things or stop certain things and so they lay the burden on the tax payer.

It is time for change and we the people must insist on that change, but I have found few who will do much of anything but complain.  We let it go for far too long... now it is imperative that we do something or there won't be much to fight for or any way to fight for it.


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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 2:03:59 PM   
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I am very glad this bill didn't make it.  I had to go to social services for my disabled adult son.  We were the only non Hispanics there and everyone working the front desk had to speak Spanish.  I was the worst dressed person there and I had far less gold on.  I have no beef with the Hispanic people and had I been born in Mexico, I might be crossing that boarder too... seeing as though it was allowed for so long and there are those amnesty bills that do get passed every twenty years or so.  But as one who is now forced to ask the tax payers to pay for the mistakes the hospital made in creating my son's disability, with no recourse because we have medical malpractice caps no law firm will take on, I want to lessen the burden on the tax payers if I can. 

I do not get enough money to support my son and although I am disabled, I do not live on tax payer funds.  I cannot get medical and that is another story.  The clinic I have to go to was created for migrant workers (not American poor) and is mostly funded by tax payers.  There I am begging for help with medications and watching a man who can speak no English with a Medicaid card with a long list of names, get it.  Children born in America to illegal residents.

I grew up in California and watched as an undeclared war of ‘take back our land’ was allowed and the influx of illegal immigrants took over.  I have watched as housing developers gave jobs away and the American construction workers end up needing the services offered to the illegals in social benefits, be denied them.  We already take care of the schooling, medical and living expenses of many of the children of these illegals and their parents get benefits in clinics created for them.  Enough is enough.

I have written letters and made calls to all sorts of people, media, agencies and the government trying to tell what happened to the people I used to advocate for and in my son’s situation and found that many were focused on the needs of the illegal immigrants and had no time for the issues of Americans.  No one wants to talk about certain things or stop certain things and so they lay the burden on the tax payer.

It is time for change and we the people must insist on that change, but I have found few who will do much of anything but complain.  We let it go for far too long... now it is imperative that we do something or there won't be much to fight for or any way to fight for it.


it would bankrupt social programs to add 12-20 million ppl onto them.

as it is- the social programs are very strained. some simply put the throw-a-ways on a bus to the next town up- shoving the problem elsewhere- its no big thing cos the other bus has a few gettting off that were shoved our way. there is a whole class of ppl living on busses.  unbeleivable but true.

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 2:05:36 PM   
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90% of Americans opposed this bill. By the time the 2008 vote comes around, 90% of Americans will not remember this bill ever existed.


CAIT, you win pahunks informal post of the day. Hopefully that is changing. Amazing the stunts they pull- and we buy it all.

Good post!

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 2:11:16 PM   
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I just got an e-mail from Bay Buchanan, Pat's sister.
She said that just before the vote Senators Lindsey Graham and Arlen Spector were urging their colleagues not to pay attention to the overwhelming number of phone calls from their constituents.
And get this, Senator Spector said that "We can't let *PUBLIC OPINION* affect how the Senate votes!"
Oh? What an *ASSHOLE!*
How out-of -touch is He with The People to be making such a statement?
Hopefully, the good People of Pennsylvania will give him the Bum's Rush when *HE* comes up for re-election!


Many of these Senators are elitists. They believe that the people should be following "the way of the Senate" and not the other way around.

I think much of this has to do with simply these people being in office too long. If you look at the roll call on this vote, you notice something interesting. Most of the people that voted in favor of cloture are senior senators or have been in office for a long period of time. Most of the newbies and rookies voted against cloture.

And if any of you plan to go to Massachusettes... don't drink the water. Because the people that live there have to be completely insane to continuously re-elect John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. These two have been in office way too long...

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 2:18:57 PM   
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Bush; "I'll see you at the Bill Signing!"


NOT!!!

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RE: Immigration bill fails for the 3rd time - 6/28/2007 5:02:32 PM   
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Boy! I bet the Chivas Regal will be flowing tonight at whatever bar Ted Kennedy goes to to cry "crockodile tears!"
Only problem is, some poor Bartender or Waitress will end up getting stiffed for the tab.
He's famous for drinking a place dry and then going to the men's room then sneaking off the premises without paying!
(Kennedy's don't carry cash.)
If Bush wants a "Legacy" he should now use that $2.6 Trillion that this Shamnesty would have cost us and put in a National Healthcare Plan!
We could easily afford it.

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