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San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 9:51:27 AM

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/24/bottled.water.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I think people often overlook the infrastructure that certain business models rely upon, either going onto the shelf or into the garbage when the time comes. Packaging is a huge issue - and some things simply make no sense.

$1+ for a bottle of water? Often unfiltered water?

Small towns across the U.S. are being taken over for their water resources so that bottling companies can make a fortune selling back to us that which can be bought for the price of a tap connected to city water.

Maybe they should put oxygen in a can and sell that too. Guess what...?

Can we americans - all of us - really be this stupid?

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 10:01:33 AM

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I keep remembering the jokes about going to a foreign country and having to drink bottled water. That was the 1970s and a definition of a third world country was a place where you had to drink bottled water to be safe.

Bottled water is a good example of making a fortune on FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt).

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 10:02:04 AM

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It's not just "Americans", you know.

CBS Sunday Morning did a segment on the subject this morning: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/21/sunday/main2962425.shtml

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 10:29:31 AM

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So what happens if, after the ban you're walking down the street in S.F. with a plastic water bottle?

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 10:49:09 AM

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You obviously didn't bother to read the article, popeye.

Either that or your reading comprehension is somewhere around...never mind.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 12:04:04 PM

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Maybe they should put oxygen in a can and sell that too. Guess what...?

They already do. Oxygen bars just aren't as popular in the US.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 12:23:48 PM

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/21/sunday/main2962425.shtml

Interesting quote that furthers my point: "And remember all those bags? San Francisco's leaders have calculated that a plastic bag which costs a supermarket just a penny to buy costs the public seventeen cents to deal with as litter."

There are innumerable business plans that use these hidden costs of various products to their financial advantage. They manufacture the disposable crap that doesn't have any real common utility and the public gets stuck supporting the cost of that disposal.

Real nice.

I know some of you will just flip out at the next suggestion - but why aren't we taxing the creators of this garbage the cost of disposal? Isn't the public footing the bill instead just another kind of corporate subsidy?

Answer: yes.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 12:26:15 PM

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You obviously didn't bother to read the article, popeye.

Either that or your reading comprehension is somewhere around...never mind.

I did read the article.
And just how is this supposed to "stem global warming?"
Do the words "global warming" said in a "good" light automatically make this a "good" thing?

Edited to add; LOL, can we now expect to see a "Black Market" in bottled water in S.F.?
Funny, you can smoke pot in S.F. but you can't wash down the twinkies after you get the munchies with "bottled water!"
"You're under arrest! Not for the pot, for the bottled water!"

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 1:49:32 PM

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The tap water in my city is pretty good. But I live in a national park that is specifically known for the hot springs. I have been to cities where the tap water tasted awful, and I still have reservations about cities that put fluoride in their water supply. I do think it is a little stupid to pay a large amount for a fancy bottle of water. You can buy a gallon jug of generic bottled water for a dollar that is just as good.

I do agree that we use plastic to package to much stuff. I honestly have never understood why I have to remove plastic wrapping from CD and DVD cases. Is there such a thing as a CD that is poisoned? That is just an example; I'm sure we can all think of a multitude of products that don't need plastic wrapping on them. When I buy cokes, I try to buy the 8 ounce glass bottles. The main reason for that being, that I don't particularly want to drink the entire 12 ounces in a can of coke. I take the bottles back with me to the store and get my nickle. It really doesn't inconvenience me at all.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 1:54:00 PM

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OK, then the issue is your reading comprehension. They're not banning bottled water. They're banning city departments from buying bottled water. Are you really incapable of comprehending the difference?

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You obviously didn't bother to read the article, popeye.

Either that or your reading comprehension is somewhere around...never mind.

I did read the article.
And just how is this supposed to "stem global warming?"
Do the words "global warming" said in a "good" light automatically make this a "good" thing?

Edited to add; LOL, can we now expect to see a "Black Market" in bottled water in S.F.?
Funny, you can smoke pot in S.F. but you can't wash down the twinkies after you get the munchies with "bottled water!"
"You're under arrest! Not for the pot, for the bottled water!"

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 2:03:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

OK, then the issue is your reading comprehension. They're not banning bottled water. They're banning city departments from buying bottled water. Are you really incapable of comprehending the difference?

L&M, if I am, why does it bother you so much?
And "City Depts" use Taxpayer Dollars to make purchases.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You obviously didn't bother to read the article, popeye.

Either that or your reading comprehension is somewhere around...never mind.

I did read the article.
And just how is this supposed to "stem global warming?"
Do the words "global warming" said in a "good" light automatically make this a "good" thing?

Edited to add; LOL, can we now expect to see a "Black Market" in bottled water in S.F.?
Funny, you can smoke pot in S.F. but you can't wash down the twinkies after you get the munchies with "bottled water!"
"You're under arrest! Not for the pot, for the bottled water!"

What's up with San Francisco the last few years?
They used to be known as a "Liberal City" now they've turned into a bunch of grouchy old curmudgions.
"NO!" No!" "NO!"

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 2:25:39 PM

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Thank you for posting this article, SugarMyChurro.

I am very glad to live in a city that has recycling readily available.
When I buy bottled water I reuse the containers for a few weeks
before recycling them. I recycle everything possible, cardboard,
aluminum cans, paper, newspapers, and plastic. The plastic grocery
bags are reused as garbage bags rather than buying additional plastic
trash liners.

As an interesting side note, the big apartment complexes here near the
university like the one I live in, have dedicated dumpster divers that come
by a couple of times a day. And it is not just the homeless people pushing
their grocery carts who come by to get the alumninum cans and stuff.
I see people driving up in their cars and going through the trash for anything
that can be reused. The student exodus means that the locals can find furniture,
appliances, computers, etc all for free. Some of the maintenance persons that work
in the complex told me that they had entire dish sets and cutlery, etc. used for camping
or for their RV's. All for free, from dumpster diving here.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 2:31:12 PM

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I have extremely good well water here where I live.
It tests well and tastes fantastic. It's funny though because when I have a party and people ask me where the water is and I point to the tap, they look at me as if I had three heads. Most of them haven't drank (drunk?) water since my last party. They only drink bottled at home and work.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 2:51:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/24/bottled.water.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

I think people often overlook the infrastructure that certain business models rely upon, either going onto the shelf or into the garbage when the time comes. Packaging is a huge issue - and some things simply make no sense.

$1+ for a bottle of water? Often unfiltered water?

Small towns across the U.S. are being taken over for their water resources so that bottling companies can make a fortune selling back to us that which can be bought for the price of a tap connected to city water.

Maybe they should put oxygen in a can and sell that too. Guess what...?

Can we americans - all of us - really be this stupid?

Cg......

I'm surprised at you......you know SF is the poster child /trend setter of modern day cities for ''sustainability.''

Hell..... you could go right across the water to Berkley, take baby and let her experience the three-dollar per glass ''aquafied tap water'' at ''Chez Panisse'', and you'll forget all about eco-consience San Francisco.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 3:13:52 PM

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OK, then the issue is your reading comprehension. They're not banning bottled water. They're banning city departments from buying bottled water. Are you really incapable of comprehending the difference?

I think you're missing a glaring third possibility for his not being able to comprehend the difference.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 3:23:21 PM

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It's "in-house carbonated tap water" according to this source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chez_Panisse

I suppose they see themselves as competing with bottled Perrier and similar effervescent bottled mineral waters - the cost of which I would have no idea about. And with Chez Panisse at least it's actually filtered water. It shouldn't cost $3 a glass however, that does seem quite high.

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A further digression...

Most of the women I have dated the last several years would not have the culinary palette to actually enjoy this menu: http://www.chezpanisse.com/pgdownmenu.html

I find that one of the first things I have to teach most women under 40 is how to cook. Some cannot so much as boil pasta or flip an egg in a pan. Then I have to teach them to eat the things they have never even tried before - common things one can find in most stores.

These women don't sew. Their cleaning skills are barely passable. They can't wire electrical. They can't even check the oil in their own cars.

Pathetic.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 5:21:03 PM

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It's "in-house carbonated tap water" according to this source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chez_Panisse

I suppose they see themselves as competing with bottled Perrier and similar effervescent bottled mineral waters - the cost of which I would have no idea about. And with Chez Panisse at least it's actually filtered water. It shouldn't cost $3 a glass however, that does seem quite high.

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A further digression...

Most of the women I have dated the last several years would not have the culinary palette to actually enjoy this menu: http://www.chezpanisse.com/pgdownmenu.html

I find that one of the first things I have to teach most women under 40 is how to cook. Some cannot so much as boil pasta or flip an egg in a pan. Then I have to teach them to eat the things they have never even tried before - common things one can find in most stores.

These women don't sew. Their cleaning skills are barely passable. They can't wire electrical. They can't even check the oil in their own cars.

Pathetic.

I've yet to go to Chez Panisse but it is on my To Do list.

Ruth's Chris, however, gives you a choice of water or sparkling water poured at your table, which was quite enjoyable. I don't recall paying $3 for the bubbles...

Could be because a side of green beans cost about $3million.....lol.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 5:34:00 PM

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Most of the women I have dated the last several years would not have the culinary palette to actually enjoy this menu: http://www.chezpanisse.com/pgdownmenu.html

I find that one of the first things I have to teach most women under 40 is how to cook.

Are you really not aware that Chez Panisse is the brainchild of a woman who has been a remarkable influence on how chefs buy and view fresh produce? I don't know if she's still quite as active at the helm, but last I visited, Alice was in the kitchen producing and directing every detail of those excellent dinners, as well as assisting with various local garden projects.

I don't know why you're dating the bottom end of the culture barrel, but the reason is much more likely to reflect on you than on the entire opposite gender.

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 6:27:50 PM

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Bottled water is completely retarded. I agree with Lewis Black, we used to have clean filtered tap water...but instead we stopped paying for that, so we could go out and buy water :D At least the tap water when it was cleaned was regulated by the town. God knows what the hell is in those bottles of water=/

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RE: San Francisco says no to bottled water - 6/24/2007 6:30:58 PM

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So they're not going to serve bottled water at meetings and such, big deal. Nothing to stop the employees from bringing in their own.

I'd be curious what the water in SF tastes like, and yes water does have a "taste". The water down here in So Cal tastes like metal. I buy bottled water. I dont eat food if i don't like the way it tastes, why would I drink something that I didn't like the taste of?

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