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Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 5:56:22 PM   
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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 6:25:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The story goes that Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If the auto industry had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon".
In response to Bill's comments, Henry Ford replied If Ford had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.
5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.
6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.
7.The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.
8. Occasionally your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You will have to hit the start button to turn the engine off.

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 6:36:35 PM   
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1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.


At my p/t gig, there's a PC on the desk, new Dell, running Vista Business and Outlook 2007.

Once or twice a day, Outlook2k7 will just restart itself, and once or twice a day, just stop responding, and need killing.

At least the dialog boxes to kill the process are pretty.


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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 7:17:03 PM   
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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 7:42:49 PM   
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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 7:48:46 PM   
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There's more than that wrong with Microsoft, but that's just my opinion. 


After stealing / coopting the DOS kernel, Microsnot hired all the people who wrote VMS away from Digital.  They were introduced to the world of "If the software is too complex and snarled to run on your computer, upgrade your hardware."

Then they were given the option of A) asking the user if the user wanted embedded code in documents to simply run, or B) running everything without giving the user the option of deciding.  They chose option B, allowing every obnoxious hacker on the planet to embed code in pictures, documents, web pages, etc., which your computer runs by default.

They made everything so it only works with itself, assuming everybody else either runs Windoze, or should.

Then they used a business model getting everybody on the planet (practically) to use it in business, making zillions of targets for hackers and virii.

I hate Windows only slightly more than the other half dozen operating systems I have been forced to use and provide expertise on.

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 7:50:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

After stealing / coopting the DOS kernel, Microsnot hired all the people who wrote VMS away from Digital.  They were introduced to the world of "If the software is too complex and snarled to run on your computer, upgrade your hardware."

Then they were given the option of A) asking the user if the user wanted embedded code in documents to simply run, or B) running everything without giving the user the option of deciding.  They chose option B, allowing every obnoxious hacker on the planet to embed code in pictures, documents, web pages, etc., which your computer runs by default.

They made everything so it only works with itself, assuming everybody else either runs Windoze, or should.

Then they used a business model getting everybody on the planet (practically) to use it in business, making zillions of targets for hackers and virii.

I hate Windows only slightly more than the other half dozen operating systems I have been forced to use and provide expertise on.

Sinergy


Out of the many you've used, what OS do you find best?

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 7:58:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

After stealing / coopting the DOS kernel, Microsnot hired all the people who wrote VMS away from Digital.  They were introduced to the world of "If the software is too complex and snarled to run on your computer, upgrade your hardware."

Then they were given the option of A) asking the user if the user wanted embedded code in documents to simply run, or B) running everything without giving the user the option of deciding.  They chose option B, allowing every obnoxious hacker on the planet to embed code in pictures, documents, web pages, etc., which your computer runs by default.

They made everything so it only works with itself, assuming everybody else either runs Windoze, or should.

Then they used a business model getting everybody on the planet (practically) to use it in business, making zillions of targets for hackers and virii.

I hate Windows only slightly more than the other half dozen operating systems I have been forced to use and provide expertise on.

Sinergy


Out of the many you've used, what OS do you find best?



Depends on what Im doing.

If I am calculating orbital trajectories in real time or managing database operations in real time, I would have to go with Linux or a UNIX variant that I told not to load anything but my real time software.

If I am playing around with graphics, probably a Mac.

If I am doing rasterizing, probably SGI Unix.

There were things I enjoyed doing with VMS, and I liked the ease of modifying kernel parameters to make things happen.  But that was years ago.

If I am sending my boss my timecard, it will be in MsWord, although I do mail and browser and stuff on this Windoze box with Mozilla software.

Sinergy 

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 8:30:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

They chose option B, allowing every obnoxious hacker on the planet to embed code in pictures, documents, web pages, etc., which your computer runs by default.

Sinergy


Here's a kicker, some of those obnoxious hackers are Microsoft software development engineers.  (Personal experience with that one).

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 8:37:28 PM   
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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 8:40:02 PM   
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< Message edited by angelic -- 6/22/2007 8:41:32 PM >

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RE: Microsoft's Problem in a Nutshell... - 6/22/2007 10:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I develop software for a living and have gotten really tired of the random Microsoft bashing.

Apple isn't interested in putting a computer in every home, unless of course it is built by Apple and runs the Apple proprietary OS. Microsoft at least doesn't care who made the PC and if anybody thinks Steve Jobs would be better with the power Gates has should really study his history with Apple. Just start with the names Wozniak and CL9.

Unix/Linux isn't a solution for most technically unsavvy home users and is much harder to develop in.

As to the whole BS about needing new software for Vista. I've seen that anti virus and malware scanners that hook pretty tightly to the OS have come out with new versions but all the server and desktop apps I've developed in the last 3 years, as long as I've been with this company, all test out as fully functional under the business and/or server versions of Vista. OTOH I'm in the middle of developing a server app that needs to run on any flavor and version of Unix that the client's chosen ISP's use. To say that the Unix worlds much vaunted POSIX standard is not faithfully supported would be a huge understatement. I spent the better part of the day trying to determine why the app failed on a single one of the test machines. It turns out that one of the ISP's uses freeBSD which implemented a portion of POSIX on thread signalling by setting the #define indicating full compliance but having the function call always return 1. After several hours tracking this bug down to shared code that is operating perfectly on all the other SUS 03 compliant OS's I spent quite some time digging through man pages and online docs until I found a reference that the particular version that this ISP was using had been released with this known bug. Now since they chose freeBSD for its well known high uptimes telling them to install a kernal update which would require rebooting several dozen servers wasn't too popular. Microsoft is many things but I''ve never run across a release version of any of their OS where an API function was hardcoded to return an error code as its only behavior.

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