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The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 7:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		"For the music industry, it was a rare bit of good news: Linkin Park's new album sold 623,000 copies in its first week this May -- the strongest debut of the year. But it wasn't nearly enough. That same month, the band's record company, Warner Music Group, announced that it would lay off 400 people, and its stock price lingered at fifty-eight percent of its peak from last June.

"Overall CD sales have plummeted sixteen percent for the year so far -- and that's after seven years of near-constant erosion. In the face of widespread piracy, consumers' growing preference for low-profit-margin digital singles over albums, and other woes, the record business has plunged into a historic decline.

"About 2,700 record stores have closed across the country since 2003, according to the research group Almighty Institute of Music Retail."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline/1


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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 7:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article about this in the recent Rolling Stone.

Apparently, a lot of their woes at this point go back to their stringent hatred and attempt to take out Napster.

They did not realize that the industry is going in the direction of peer to peer, and missed their launch window.

Article made they point that the industry is trying to negotiate with the guy who established Napster to put it back into place.  If I remember correctly, they refused to make a lucrative enough offer to a self-made multi-millionaire.

Cracks me up.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 7:47:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Music sucks.  It's not that people are stealing music; it's that the music industry doesn't put out music that people want to hear.  It's all canned stuff straight out of the C-suite.

The latest is "bubblegum rap:" basically it's boy and girl bands but with rap.  Pure, unadulterated crap.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 8:12:42 PM   
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Around sixty-five percent of all music sales now take place in big-box stores such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy


is deeply disturbing. i will never, ever buy a book or CD from Wal-Mart

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 8:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I saw that in this month's Stone.  (Bathroom reading, ya' know?)  I'll be honest and say that I don't care much, nor does it surprise me.  They're still making a ton of money, and progress always moves things on.  Compact discs bought as one album are just another technology that we have passed from.  If they're smart the record companies will and have been getting their finger in the proverbial online pie before CDs and albums become outsourced like eight-tracks.  I'm sure that entire albums won't go the way of the dodo, but selling them the normal way will, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more singles released that don't have albums to follow them, or many singles off of one album.


Edited to add:  I download songs on Napster at the $9.99 per all you can download a month rate, then pay for the songs that I like so that I can actually burn them.  However, if I've downloaded it and I like most of the album, I'll go out and buy it to support the artist.  I love Amy Winehouse.  "Back to Black" is a fan-frikin'-tastic album, and happens to be the most recent one I have purchased.   The only other two in the past eight months are "Sam's Town" by The Killers and "Plans" by Death Cab for Cutie.  Honestly, not much good music where the whole album is quality comes out nowdays, and I would say that has something to do with record sales too, if not nearly as much as the technological boom with Ipods.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 8:28:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: petdave

Good. The music industry needs less industry and more music. Although this:

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Around sixty-five percent of all music sales now take place in big-box stores such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy


is deeply disturbing. i will never, ever buy a book or CD from Wal-Mart



That is disturbing, especially if you take into account that Wal-Mart only sells edited CDs.  I refuse to buy edited CDs.  I haven't bought a CD at a chain store since I was sixteen.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 9:38:09 PM   
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Get with the program, people.



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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/21/2007 10:41:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: petdave

Good. The music industry needs less industry and more music. Although this:

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Around sixty-five percent of all music sales now take place in big-box stores such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy


is deeply disturbing. i will never, ever buy a book or CD from Wal-Mart




Lol. Funny what disturbs some people.
Another problem with music these days (besides that most of it sucks) is that it is mixed so loudly that most cds sound horrible. They are compressed so much that there is no variation in the volume. It is just shrill and loud. I listen alot to dvd audio discs and sacds as well as vinyl, and trying to listen to a regular cd after these just points out how horribly most cds are sound these days.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 1:45:58 AM   
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Artists deserve to be paid, but there is a swarm of people between them and their money. Now these agencies, recording studios, promoters and pressers of new CDs or whatever medium, do indeed provide a service. But then it is they who have hyped it all up to the point where kids have to steal $40 instead of $3 to get the tunes they are told they need. Where do you think the extra $37 goes ?

Those who started their game are starting to lose. I have no sympathy. They made billions, and shaped this country as well as others by influencing the youth. By represseing certain artists and promoting others they took on an ominously powerful position in society, I would dare to say dangerous. And then they used it to their own ends, and in some cases even to further their own political agenda.

These media moguls have lived out their heyday, and I am waiting for it to happen to the motion picture industry. It probably is happening to them but is not yet significant. Not enough M-O-N-E-Y to get up about. Wait until it is.

Back to music, I am reminded of The Buddy Holly Story. Race gets into this, but I DID NOT DO IT, it is from before I was born.

Charled Hardin Holly was born in Texas, lived well apparently and had a guitar, most likely since he was a kid. His childhood sweety was probably following her Parent's wishes when she disapproved of their daughter's boyfriend's ambition. They had been practicing in the garage, but had put up some like chicken wire or something, like XXX across the rafters and then put chicken feathers into the space between for sound insulation.

He had his tape recorder down there and they are listening to the playback, and there is a cricket chirping, thus giving the band the name of "The Crickets", but it was always Buddy Holly and The Crickets. Three guys sounded great, but think about ZZ Top.

Buddy (Charles Hardin that is) mailed a tape to a local DJ. This is where it gets racist, but goddammit I didn't do it ok ?

That local DJ mailed a copy of the tape to a more bigtime DJ in NYC, and that guy forwarded it to a record company. They had started selling the record, I think on 45, before they ever got a release. They did this because, because of his music, they thought he was Black. When he walked into their office they were shocked.

The guy was telling them that they were going to meet the araringer, producer, all that, to which Holly replied "We've been through all that, we are three piece band, we make a sound, if your producers could do that you would owe them $70,000".

You see, the "suits" thought they were Black, and a $70,000 check would thrill them so much that they would have nothing to worry about. Oops. Everybody thought they were Black. They were booked at the Apollo Theater. I guess that was one hell of a life experience for Holly, and I got a little piece of him in me over this.

The owner of the Appollo was White, and sent a telegraph to Holly, and the wording of the last one was "be here........thousand(s)" and when they showed up the guy didn't want to put them on. Buddy Holly and The Crickets was the first White band to ever appear there. Holly told the guy straight out "OK, pay us and we'll go". The guy balked at first, but after reading the telegraph that he had sent, he saw that it did indeed say they get paid just to show up. So he let them go on.

The dude probably thought his place was going to get wrecked, and maybe it did bit. There was no trouble, but there was alot of dancing in the aisles etc. But it is an historic event. They were sure there was going to be trouble, but there was not. And this is only a scant few years after Blacks weren't allowed on stage at White theaters !

My respect for Charles Hardin Holly goes beyond the music. He was a shrewd businessman. He could fix the suits. They thought they had it all over him and he showed them. And it boiled down to 'you need my signature right now, really bad'. He knew. The fucking idiot told him.

Come on, I think anyone here would figure out to get him signed and THEN give him the $70,000. Geez, how hard is that to figure out ? Whaddya put a suit and tie on a guy he loses his brain or something ?

Maybe I should go work in that business. Hell I could.............
No.

Actually the RIAA lost support after all the backdoor lobbying that took away public domain. I got at least 1,000 songs that are 20 years old. I AM PART OF THE PUBLIC, WHERE IS MY CHECK FOR THIS ?

They took, and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine.

What goes around, comes around.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 4:14:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		i  had//100s of albums and cassettes aand 8-tracks, there has been very little artisitic music since that time.

ild say creativity is dead- it is canned-formula.

ild bet in this valley we have a good amount of yodlers.

even in the day- an album could have just 1 or 2 songs on it- decent.

movies are crap also.

the  US is currently culllllturally void- if another culture can delievery - we need some

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 5:30:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK I know the music industry likes to claim that piracy is the reason sales are dropping...

But I wonder if anyone in that industry has an ounce of intelligence capable of realizing that the real reason for the drop might be that today's music sucks???

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 6:41:16 AM   
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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 7:46:27 AM   
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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:25:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Music (good music) is cyclical, unfortunately. We are in a downward cycle, as far as I'm concerned. Let's look at rock (my genre of choice).
1970
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Derek and the Dominos - Layla
The Beatles - Let It Be
 
1971
Led Zeppelin - IV
Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
The Who - Who's Next
The Allman Brothers Band - Live at the Filmore East
Janis Joplin - Pearl
Yes - Fragile
 
1972
Deep Purple - Machinehead
David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust
Neil Young - Harvest
 
1973
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced
Wings - Band on the Run
 
1974
KISS - Alive
Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic
Jackson Browne - Late for the Sky
Bad Company
 
1975
Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
Queen - A Night at the Opera
Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic
 
1976
The Eagles - Hotel California
Peter Frampton - Frampton Comes Alive
Steve Miller Band - Fly Like An Eagle


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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:27:17 AM   
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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:28:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Termyie baby, you could NEVER get a job in the music industry...you are just plain, too damn intelligent for them; and you see right through their bullshit. All this is about is the industry is losing the Billions they once made, and they want even more billions, on top of the billions they are still making; irregardless, that the suits are offering garbaged garbaged and saying it's.... music.

I haven't bought a CD in years; and aside from 'Ghost Riders in the sky' and 'Cool Water' what else is there. LOL

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:31:08 AM   
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Or look at a more recent period.
 
1989
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Faith No More - The Real Thing
 
1990
Soundgarden - Louder Than Love
Alice in Chains - Facelift
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Pantera - Cowboys From Hell
Queensryche - Empire
 
1991
Nirvana - Nevermind
Pearl Jam - Ten
Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss
Metallica - The Black Album
Guns n Roses - Use Your Illusion
 
 
Is there a group of albums from this admittedly unfinished decade that will comprise a list like those above, in terms of quality and impact? Doesn't look like it.......


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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:32:40 AM   
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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:36:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		True, fargle, and there is good music out there; I just don't think we're at a high point, currently. And one good thing, some artists are starting to see they can do things for themselves.

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RE: The decline of the record industry - 6/22/2007 9:47:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		We are living now, in the creative dark ages. Music is hammered out to make money; nothing of any value there; with a few, very few exceptions, Cusco, is one exception, but who the hell knows who these guys are; no one. Mainstream music; it all can be judged as 'gar-bage'.
The movie industry is the same, hey guy, when you have to watch an american made production, speaking english, and put on the sub titles to just deciper what Brad Pitt is saying......please. And this guy gets 20 mil per picture. And the fumigator, ....now there is a joke on us all.

If you want to see a movie, with a story, some real actors...then it's the european movies, there, I don't mind the sub-titles, to understand what is going on.

If it is not ultra special effects...then it's not a movie.

My last american movie was 'Able Edwards'...what a piece of garbage that was...and it won all sorts of awards, outstipping Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

Damn; we need Sky Captain.......and Captian Invincible (Alan Alda movie). Hey.....the world is a shabble.....we need someone to save us patheic eartlings. LOL

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