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Pandamonum -> In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 9:57:59 AM)

 The rebels march 300 strong across the crunchy earth, young men with dreadlocks and AK-47s slung over their shoulders.
Often when they pass through a village, the entire village lines up, one sunken cheekbone to the next, to squint at them.
“May God bring you victory,” one woman whispered.
This is the Ogaden, a spindle-legged corner of Ethiopia that the urbane officials in Addis Ababa, the capital, would rather outsiders never see. It is the epicenter of a separatist war pitting impoverished nomads against one of the biggest armies in Africa.
What goes on here seems to be starkly different from the carefully constructed up-and-coming image that Ethiopia — a country that the United States increasingly relies on to fight militant Islam in the Horn of Africa — tries to project.
In village after village, people said they had been brutalized by government troops. They described a widespread and longstanding reign of terror, with Ethiopian soldiers gang-raping women, burning down huts and killing civilians at will.
It is the same military that the American government helps train and equip — and provides with prized intelligence. The two nations have been allies for years, but recently they have grown especially close, teaming up last winter to oust an Islamic movement that controlled much of Somalia and rid the region of a potential terrorist threat.
The Bush administration, particularly the military, considers Ethiopia its best bet in the volatile Horn — which, with Sudan, Somalia and Eritrea, is fast becoming intensely violent, virulently anti-American and an incubator for terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/world/africa/18ethiopia.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin




mnottertail -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 10:03:04 AM)

yeah, Bush ain't gonna get it.

Mengistu?  a real live threat.
Saddam?  a pussy.




KenDckey -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 12:16:24 PM)

Yeah Yeah   Same war, new century.    Been shot at there, would go back.   Loved it.     It is tribal warfare, been going on for centuries.   I was there before the comunist backed rebels took over the country.   They had no clue how to govern and things just went to hell in a handbasket.   Still that way.   Take for Example   Eritriea   The League of Nations (you know the one that President Wilson helped create) took away their king and put them under ethiopia.   Ethiopia wouldn't let them govern themselves for even participate in government.   They belonged to the wrong tribe.   Same with other provences at that time.   Things didn't change.   The rebels took over and just made things worse.   This has been gong on for centuries.   Nothing new   same war, new century   can't blame bush for this one




mnottertail -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 12:28:24 PM)

I didn't blame bush for it. 




Vendaval -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 12:32:08 PM)

"Red Terror"

" The efforts by the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Party to discredit and undermine the Derg and its MEISON collaborators escalated in the fall of 1976. It targeted public buildings and other symbols of state authority for bombings and assassinated numerous Abyot Seded and MEISON members, as well as public officials at all levels. The Derg, which countered with its own Red Terror campaign, labeled the EPRP's tactics the White Terror.

Mengistu asserted that all "progressives" were given "freedom of action" in helping root out the revolution's enemies, and his wrath was particularly directed toward the EPRP. Peasants, workers, public officials, and even students thought to be loyal to the Mengistu regime were provided with arms to accomplish this task.

Mengistu's decision resulted in fraticidal chaos. Many civilians he armed were EPRP sympathizers rather than supporters of MEISON or the Derg. Between early 1977 and late 78, roughly 5,000 people were killed. In the process, the Derg became estranged from civilian groups, including MEISON. By early 1979, Abyot Seded stood alone as the only officially recognized political organization; the others were branded enemies of the revolution. Growing human rights violations prompted the United States to counsel moderation. However, the Derg continued to use extreme measures against its real and perceived opponents to ensure its survival. From 1975 to 78, some experts say 150,000 university students, intellectuals and politicians were killed in a nationwide purge by Mengistu's Marxist regime.[30][31]

Together with what most Ethiopians & rights groups claim was a systematic counter-insurgency crime of holding millions of northern Ethiopians in famine, which prompted the famous Live Aid, Mengistu HaileMariam is alleged to be responsible for the 7th worst genocide in world history. Around 1,500,000 Ethiopians were claimed to be the victims of the Derg genocide.[32]

In addition to the urban guerrilla warfare being waged by the EPRP, nationalist movements such as the EPLF, the OLF, the TPLF/EPRDF, and the Western Somali Liberation Front (WSLF) also stepped up their military campaigns in the countryside to help the overthrowment of Mengistu's regime. In 2006, after a long trial, Mengistu was found guilty of genocide. [33] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia


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KenDckey -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 12:32:44 PM)

sorry didn't mean to imply that you did.   When I read the article I felt it did tho




mnottertail -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 1:57:05 PM)

No prob, Ken........I could have been more succint, George Bush is a fuckin retard of the first magnatude, is blissfully ignorant of the world around him and can only lay claim to a few accomplishments: Idiot, Coward, Deserter, self-enriching murderer, of diminished capacity, and a bankrupter of nations and men.  To his credit, he has his forefathers money so that he is able to gloss over these shortcomings by image consultants, albiet not in any grand style. But he didn't START the conflict in the Ethiopia region. 




KenDckey -> RE: In Ethiopia, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality (6/18/2007 5:44:56 PM)

Yeah   when I was stationed in Ethiopia I was taken POW by the Ethi Army 7 times (politics at work - we were on a duty roster for that job and everyone took turns doing it).   Never held longer than 30 minutes and was treated well.   Was always captured by the same platoon and got to be good friends with their platoon leader who had served with UN Forces during KEorea in the Kagnew Brigade.  My units mission was to support the astronauts in case they were forced down in the Red Sea (this was the mid "60s) and support the Army base that was 75 miles away.  We only had 10 troops in town total. 

I did have some interaction with the Eritriea Liberation Front who was fighting for their independence from Ethiopia and its opressive rule.  Wound up in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Fortunately the Ethiopian Army overran my location and went after them and I left.   We were under standing orders that if attacked surrender if possible.  It just wasn't our war.




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