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Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 2:54:39 AM   
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Ok, i've gone back through 10 pages on this section and other places to. I am looking for references on fisting. I know LA is great for throwing out links for anything and everything someone needs so....

Reason i'm asking is, I am considering taking a young female on, she is interested in fisting. Out of all my years, this is something I have never done, so would like to read on it...maybe attend a class or two, just to see if there might be something in it that would spark me
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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 4:14:09 AM   
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There have been some posts somewhere...

But, I recommend starting with "A Hand in the Bush: The Fine Art of Vaginal Fisting" by Deborah Addington.  It's a great book and she does wonderful demo's on fisting!

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 4:24:52 AM   
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I search the term 'fisting' using the search function, and I am innundated with discourses.

Am I the ONLY one?  Is it just ME?

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 4:34:18 AM   
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Silly me...didn't think about the search engine. Thanks Ron. :P

Thanks Star...i'll see if I can find it.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 8:33:34 AM   
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Ohh fisting is amazing I love it   My boy hadnt done it before it kind of just happened with us.  I think because we were so relaxed with each other.  I havent read the bok recommended yet but ive heard its really helpful good luck 

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 9:25:05 AM   
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As I recall, Pat Califia also wrote a pretty good essay on fisting in one of his books. Sorry that I can't find the exact title of it at the moment. Also, one of the more accessible bits of info on fisting is in the "Good Vibrations Guide to Sex." It runs you down the basics in short order.
My own personal tips?

1. clip your nails, almost down to the quick. You shouldn't be able to pick up a dime when you are done.

2. Use a skin buffer to remove any dry or flaky skin from your wrist forward. Moisterize with lotion several hours before getting into the scene. Your hands should be smooth enough that you can run them over cheesecloth without snagging at all.

3. Lube, lube, and more lube... and just when you think you've gotten as slippery as you can get, add some more still.

4. Take your time, get her very aroused to begin with, and work your way in. If you are doing it right, it should almost feel like she's sucking you in, rather than having to force your way bast the threshold.

5. If you can't get all the way in on your first few tries, don't fuss about it. You are both probably nervous, worried about if it's going to hurt, or who knows what else. Keep trying. Getting there is half the fun.

6. Remember, once in, very small hand movements are all that's needed to send your friend past the moon. A little flexing goes a long way.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 9:28:16 AM   
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I'm getting pissed...because Master and i have been TRYING and we just can't get it...and i know ...i've heard people say i shouldnt be "goal" orientated but damnit!!...getting the fist in IS the goal....it just hurts so fookin bad...GEEZUS!!!...

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 9:32:07 AM   
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Yanno how you try and think of a guys name and struggle over it for hours and then throw your hands up in desperation?


Couple days later, when you could give a fuck less about it anymore...it POPS into your head out of nowhere----Maybe the guys name is fist.


Fuck it, it's ALL good.


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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 12:22:10 PM   
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ok...I can offer perspective from boths sides of the fist on this one...no I am not an expert, nor have I given or attended any fisting demos...
the first time I was fisted was with my first ever Master,who also happened to be a physician...Lube is definitley the key....and working your way up from one or two fingers...for me I needed to hear his voice through out...encouraging me to relax and open up for him...and yes I find fisting to be MOST enjoyable...
as for me doing the fisting...that has always been very enjoyable for me also...the only fisting I have done is vaginal fisting on female subs while their Dominant is present, again encouraging them with voice and touch...and that has always been a beautiful experience...


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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 12:22:58 PM   
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As always, i can only speak from my own experience.  On the second night that i was with Master David, He had me naked, belly side-up, on His living room floor, spread my legs and began to push His closed hand into my pussy.  He didn't use any lube.  He never uses any lube on me for anything, whether in my pussy or my ass.  But, seeing as He is a sadist, He wants to see His slave in a certain amount of pain and discomfort.  He got what He wanted. Oh yes, it hurt.  (It was the closest thing to reliving the times when i had to push babies out of me.)   i squirmed and wiggled my way across His floor and almost ended up crawling under His sofa.  But, of course, i couldn't get away from Him and all of my squirming and moaning and crying out, only made Him smile more and laugh and push harder.  Soon enough, my mind was in that "nice place" where i feel so warm and floaty.  He didn't get more than three fingers in me that first time but, when He pulled His hand out it was dripping wet from the juice i squirted on it.  It was well worth the pain.  He has since made it up to all 4 fingers and is getting closer to including His thumb.  i am very much looking forward to that day and once He is able to do that, i will be looking forward to being double-fisted someday.  Don't know what technique there is for fisting, other than going slow and stretching a little at a time.  It will hurt, especially if she's never had anything as big as a fist in her before.  It also depends on how large a hand you have.  Good luck. slave joyOwned property of Master David


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I am considering taking a young female on, she is interested in fisting. Out of all my years, this is something I have never done, so would like to read on it...maybe attend a class or two, just to see if there might be something in it that would spark me

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 1:33:19 PM   
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ache,

Well, I'm sorry you're having so much trouble, but the truth of it is that some people can swallow a hand right off, and others it takes practice, practice, paractice! How far are you and you Dom getting? Three fingers? Four? You have to work at this, allowing yourself to relax completely.

One of the tricks I was taught, by some very nice lesbian friends at a pan-sexual play party, seems rather counter-intuitive at first glance: try to push him out. In a reverse birth sort of way, by flexing your pelvic muscles in the same way as pushing a baby out, you also flex them to allow something in. (I obviously don't have first hand experience with this, but my sub/fistee at the time said it helped her to accept me without feeling quite so...stressed.) Another good technique to use is it inhale deeply, then let it out, relaxing as you do so. As yoga instructors will verify, exhaling while relaxing tends to amplify the effect on the body overall.

I can't really recommend joy's technique. If it works for her, all well and good. But trust those of us who have posted on this: lube is your friend. Use it, and I assure you, you'll get well beyond three fingers.

I'm a fairly large man, and my hands take a large glove. Yet, with practice, I've been able to fist several women, at least one of which had never had children before, and whom other partners of hers had described as "tighter than Scrooge." It will happen. You just need patience... and for those tries where you don't quite make it: keep the ol' Hitachi magic wand nearby... Even the near misses get pretty intense.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 2:04:06 PM   
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Thanks for all the advise everyone. I have been reading other threadds on this as well and I gotta admit...this sounds very interesting. I was trying to find videos so I can see it being done, but surprisingly enough...I have yet to find one.  Gonna keep looking though. Other than a pain factor...this does seem like a very rewarding activity.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 2:26:31 PM   
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quote:

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ache,

Well, I'm sorry you're having so much trouble, but the truth of it is that some people can swallow a hand right off, and others it takes practice, practice, paractice! How far are you and you Dom getting? Three fingers? Four? You have to work at this, allowing yourself to relax completely.

One of the tricks I was taught, by some very nice lesbian friends at a pan-sexual play party, seems rather counter-intuitive at first glance: try to push him out. In a reverse birth sort of way, by flexing your pelvic muscles in the same way as pushing a baby out, you also flex them to allow something in. (I obviously don't have first hand experience with this, but my sub/fistee at the time said it helped her to accept me without feeling quite so...stressed.) Another good technique to use is it inhale deeply, then let it out, relaxing as you do so. As yoga instructors will verify, exhaling while relaxing tends to amplify the effect on the body overall.

I can't really recommend joy's technique. If it works for her, all well and good. But trust those of us who have posted on this: lube is your friend. Use it, and I assure you, you'll get well beyond three fingers.

I'm a fairly large man, and my hands take a large glove. Yet, with practice, I've been able to fist several women, at least one of which had never had children before, and whom other partners of hers had described as "tighter than Scrooge." It will happen. You just need patience... and for those tries where you don't quite make it: keep the ol' Hitachi magic wand nearby... Even the near misses get pretty intense.

Thankyou for your reply. Master has been able to get everything except the thumb knuckle. He says i'm very close...it just hurts SO bad when He gets to that point. I have never have children vaginally ...does that matter?


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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 4:10:08 PM   
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I'd have to guess it does matter.

One thing I will toss out there is that there is a time during the month when a menstruating woman's connective tissue is said to be a little softer and more movable. I can't remember if it is ovulation time, or just before the period. Serious woman athletes know this because it is a time when one is more prone to more serious knee injury - because the ligaments are more stretchy. My knee was injured at such a time. It might be the time to try to make more headway with the project of getting that knuckle in. I'm having the same holdup. Also, turning the hand to where knuckle is coming in at the top near the clit, or at the bottom side/perineum may offer some relief to the bone-against-pelvic-bone problem.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/17/2007 5:49:07 PM   
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"One size does not fit all." We know a couple where the gurl is tiny and her Dom has big hands. It took them two years of patient daily stretching to get to the point where he can fully fist her with both hands. It's amazing to see, and a credit to them both that they took the time to enjoy it - the dynamic between them is awesome
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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/18/2007 12:39:39 AM   
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I was wincing just reading this.

It must feel really amazing to make up for the pain.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/18/2007 3:52:59 AM   
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Hi again :)
I just wanted to add that I havent had a child vaginally and its not made any difference.  I agree with the lube lube ilube lube lube front.  Honestly we use gallons of the stuff and it usually takes a few times of him going in and outbefore I can take it all.  I have to say the worst bit when we first did it was the thumb knuckle now thats my favourite bit lol
I'm not advocating drug use here but I really found that poppers helped me.  All I would advise to dont force the issue take things slowly hell if it takes an hour to get it in by justbeing slow and gentle its all good.  Ive definatly turned into a fisting whore now we can do it even to the point that I made him keep his hand in there while he fell asleep becasue he was tired !!!  though after 15 minutes of continuously orgasming I had to wake him to remove it !!!
And if you can get to do it then it really is worth any uncomfortableness I'm so so mardy when it comes to pain and now its never uncomfortable.im more than happy to talk on the other side about different techniques that have helped us :)


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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/18/2007 12:07:40 PM   
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If you like lube, use it.  i would never tell anyone to do what i do, unless they want to try it.  A lot of people swear by lube and won't do anything without it. 
 
No one has ever used lube on me, other than their own or my saliva and/or my vaginal secretions. 
 
i prefer no chemicals to be put in my body, if i can help it.  i like to go natural, as much as possible. 
 
i am not tiny.  i'm 5' 7" and a size 10/12.  my Master has fairly large hands, we measured His fist, at the widest part (from pinkie knuckle to thumb knuckle), and it was just shy of 8".  Like i said, i'm a masochist and He is a sadist, so for U/us, pain is a plus.

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/18/2007 4:37:00 PM   
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I seem to think I wrote about this in an earlier thread. Ah, well, it's a nice topic to think about, anyway.

Fisting is delightful. Do read A Hand in the Bush. Fisting is not rocket science--it's essentially digital penetration taken a bit further. If you can collapse your hand (in other words, if you can make the bit of palm under your thumb touch the bit of palm under your little finger) you will do better. When inserting, remember to keep your outside fingers out of the way and positioned such that they will not be painfully bent backward (or even broken, in theory) if your fistee's vagina contracts unexpectedly. I find it best to start with my middle and ring fingers, because the shape one is working toward is a sort of waterfowl bill, or pyramid, with the middle finger on top, my index and ring fingers under it, and my pinky and thumb squished under and sort of between them. The knuckles are the hard part. Back to that vagina-contraction thing, once the knuckles go in, be prepared for the rest of your hand being...er...sucked in, occasionally past the wrist. (For this reason, it is good to wash and lubricate--or, at least, apply lotion to--your wrist. I realize that I'm characterizing the vagina as a rather voracious, unpredictable creature. There is some truth to that, and that's not misogynistic--it's part of what makes playing with it fun. Actually closing into a fist can be awkward. If the vagina being fisted has more depth than breadth, get your room by putting the duckbill shape mentioned above all the way in and then curling the fingers, trying to curl from the fingertips in (rather than from the palm out). If breadth is greater than depth, you should start to fold your fingers on themselves even before you get the last knuckles in--this inhibits your ability to collapse your hand, so it's not wise to use if you don't have much sideways room. If there doesn't seem to be any room, try rotating your hand and probing different directions--either the probing makes more room, or one always finds more room, often by moving downward (i.e. nearer to the anus).

Oh, yes--you can fist in just about any position, but fistee-on-back is generally easiest, followed by fistee-on-hands-and-knees.

Artificial lubricant is almost always necessary. You would likely want to go with something water-based that has a gel consistency, rather than something too watery. I like Maximus, myself, because it stays relatively wet without getting horribly sticky, and doesn't smell odd to me, but you can play around--another woman I know prefers Sex Grease, for example. KY is not a very good choice. Nyplex or latex gloves are useful, both for safer sex and because they soften the lumps and rough bits on the hand--if you understand how slips or undershirts work to smooth out the lines of clothing, think of gloves and vaginas as similarly related. Do make sure that the glove doesn't get wrinkled up at the entrance, please--getting sized gloves can help with this, failing that, take a rubber band or hair elastic and secure the extra glove material at your wrist.

Once you're in, have fun! You might want to talk to your fistee about her preferred type of stimulation--fingering or dildo/penis penetration can be useful reference points if your fistee is inexperienced. You can do all sorts of things. You can pump your hand back and forth--i.e. "fist fucking." You can stretch out your fingers and clench them again. You can rotate your hand. You can expand your hand (which, by the way, is likely pretty scrunched up, when you first get it inside) laterally or vertically. You can simply let it sit. Use your imagination--and take input from your fistee, ideally.

As with all things, plan how to get out. Vaginas can create vacuums of a sort, making it difficult to remove one's hand--orgasms seem to increase this possibility. Please do not panic--just insert a finger of your other hand to break the seal that has formed around your wrist. Be gentle, because most fistees are pretty sensitive at this point of things, and it tends to be an uncomfortable process (but, you know, most regard it as better than being a permanent hand puppet). Some people want a gentle, slow, perhaps stimulating withdrawal, while others just want you OUT, NOW. Again, this is something to think on, and you could consult your fistee, too.

Even though I haven't talked about double fisting above, one note on it: please avoid binding your fistee if you are going to do double fisting--or, if you do want to do bondage and double fisting, please do it with company, as double fisting can be a sort of bondage for the fister!

In general, visualize the inside and concentrate on moving each part of your hand deliberately and with care. Don't move too quickly, but don't be too cautious, either--some people's elasticity and muscle control can be pleasantly surprising, and do try to talk with the person you're fisting. I like talking in scenes, although I realize that it's not to everyone's taste--if it's not your thing, please try to negotiate and debrief thoroughly. Even though it's essentially upgraded fingering, the idea of having my entire hand inside another person is pretty neat, and the hand-receivers seem to like it, too. Have fun!

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RE: Fisting..curiosity - 6/18/2007 5:03:17 PM   
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imthatache--

Do you do Kegel exercises regularly? Just as people who walk or run regularly are more readily able to touch their toes, so too do people who exercise their vaginas regularly find them more limber (and thus more elastic).

Also, as I wrote in my earlier post--rotation, rotation, rotation. Maybe if the thumb knuckle put pressure on a different part of your body it wouldn't hurt so badly.

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