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cyberdude611 -> Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 3:01:09 PM)
A new poll out by the Wall Street Journal and NBC showed that President Bush now has an approval rating of 29%. And over 2/3rds of Americans feel the nation is on the wrong track. The poll also showed that the approval rating of Congress is down to 23%. Keep in mind that the approval rating of the GOP congress exactly one year ago was 21%. It also showed that Hillary has increased her lead over the rest of the Democratic field. She now has 39% followed by Obama with 25% and Edwards with 15%. On the GOP side, Guiliani and McCain have lost support. McCain was in second place before the immigration debate started. He has now fallen to 4th place. The drop represents an 8 point drop in 3 weeks and could spell disaster for the McCain campaign. Giuliani is at 29%, Fred Thompson surged to 20% even though he hasn't even declared, Mitt Romney is at 15%, and McCain is down to 14%. Mike Huckabee is at 3% and Ron Paul at 2%.

mnottertail -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 4:20:36 PM)
the prez/congo is here and now, the rest of them numbers are asswipe...americans don't have that long a memory---they "FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL" those numbers could bounce anywhere in a couple weeks.

slaverosebeauty -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 4:31:38 PM)
It is going to be a VERY interesting race next year. LOTS of people up for reelection and a presidency - the current VP will NOT be running for the presidency, so its going to get interesting. Persoanlly, I am surprised that Bush's approval rating was that high.

farglebargle -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 4:53:54 PM)
So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 5:18:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. People are upset at the government for different reasons.... And the polls show this clearly... The conservatives are angry at Bush and the government about immigration and border security. The liberals are pissed off because the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war but on corruption issues (like the Gonzalez situation). And so far the Dems have done absolutely nothing. So everyone is pissed off at Congress.....just for different reasons.

mnottertail -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 5:23:42 PM)
Ja, I would be interested to see some polls in our collective lifetime where the congress had higher rating than a president. I doubt it has ever happened, unless it was the week of impeachment hearings.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 6:03:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, I would be interested to see some polls in our collective lifetime where the congress had higher rating than a president. I doubt it has ever happened, unless it was the week of impeachment hearings. Are you trying to defend a 23% approval rating?

farglebargle -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 6:29:05 PM)
I think part of the problem is that the PROCESS goes too slowly for the ADD addled masses to follow. I read the documentation at Waxman's committee's website, and have nothing but joy.

mnottertail -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 7:44:17 PM)
hell no.................... But congress is a rubber stamp for the prez or nearly---- lets trip a little light fantastic thru the scenario, shall we? prez, I need money for my patently illegal invasion that I have been spinning as a big surprise from 9/11 that didn't have nothing to do with WMD, and my speechwriters have found a way to make me look like a forieng polcy guy, but I still need to veto bills that may really benefit old people and give them cheap durgs but I don't believe in that because my largest contributors (my constituency) are large companies like haliburton and merck and my handlers assure me you can't fuck them guys and make a buck yourself, but the problem is that to line my pockets I can't actually declare war and make bills like that, and of course the easiest ways to fuck them is to do a supplemental spending bill, which everyone has to vote for, like the idea behind it or not, or they will be killing our boys------------and that is the perception we have to have or did you want the quick and dirty? George

popeye1250 -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 8:01:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. People are upset at the government for different reasons.... And the polls show this clearly... The conservatives are angry at Bush and the government about immigration and border security. The liberals are pissed off because the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war but on corruption issues (like the Gonzalez situation). And so far the Dems have done absolutely nothing. So everyone is pissed off at Congress.....just for different reasons. Cyberdude, it's not just the Conservatives that are angry at Bush and the Congress on border security and immigration, most of us Independants are as well. And I would dare say quite a few Democrats, Greens and Libertarians too.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 8:27:27 PM)
Have you checked any of the polls back after 9/11 and when the Congress was talking about approving war in Iraq. A large majority of Americans wanted that war, republican and democrat alike. Now we all must take responsibility for those actions. It is like being halfway across a narrow train bridge and you hear the train whistle. Do you run for one end or the other? I am pissed at many of the politicians on both sides. they continue to waste time, not solve problems and make laws to insure that the federal government will have more power over our lives. The Democratic House will be no better than the Republican House, because they will not learn the mistake the Republicans made. their mistake was getting control based upon a platform, and then not fulfilling their promises. The Democrats think they got the job to end the war, well here is a clue by four, there are many more problems than just the war. I hope Hillary does get elected, not because I support her, but because I think America deserves her at this time. Her true colors will come out. Just look at the debate recently where she kept calling it "Bush's War" yet that war was approved vy Congress, and she was part of that approval. I cannot stand someone that will not accept their mistakes and the responsibility of them. The major issues I see are: unchecked illegal immigration, education, health care reform tied into law suit reform, term limits, keeping the economy growing, attracting more corps and large businesses back to the US so that there are more jobs. Continued strikes against Islamic Facist. Orion quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. People are upset at the government for different reasons.... And the polls show this clearly... The conservatives are angry at Bush and the government about immigration and border security. The liberals are pissed off because the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war but on corruption issues (like the Gonzalez situation). And so far the Dems have done absolutely nothing. So everyone is pissed off at Congress.....just for different reasons.

juliaoceania -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 8:31:26 PM)
If the dems do not grow a spine and face Bush on Iraq they will be voted out next election. Bush has a higher opinion rating only because the few people from his home state and the Fundie vote have not abandoned him yet

popeye1250 -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/15/2007 9:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania If the dems do not grow a spine and face Bush on Iraq they will be voted out next election. Bush has a higher opinion rating only because the few people from his home state and the Fundie vote have not abandoned him yet You mean Connecticut?

Zensee -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 12:27:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Are you trying to defend a 23% approval rating? Are you celebrating a 29% approval rating? Z.

NorthernGent -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 2:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war Trace the timeline back to 1950 and you'll see a history of invading countries, killing the locals and replacing their government with a version willing to pander to US market interests in return for a share of the pie. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd take a guess there were at least a couple of democrat presidents in 1953, 1954, 1964, 1968 etc. If the guess is accurate, the only plausible conclusion is that Iraq is not really about democrat or republican, it's a nation that will kill foreigners in return for economic gain. You could argue it's a result of a well-oiled propaganda machine, or people being apolitical, or people not caring a jot whether or not American planes and tanks kill people. One unmistakable fact, though, is the fact that the US is a nation with a recent history (probably longer for all I know) of killing, displacing and generally ruining the lives of people in other countries. History suggests a democrat president will not prevent the next Iraq.

farglebargle -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 7:48:19 AM)
I'm thinking more "Spanish-American War", and the subsequent "Pacification" of the Phillipines...

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 1:49:44 PM)
Greetings Northern Gent, Actually get off your anti-American box and pay close attention. Trace that history back throughout all of civilization and you will see the same behavior. It is even mentioned in the Tao Te Ching, you see examples of catering to Egypt during the height of their power, Rome during it's time, and so on. It is a way of the world. The US has also done quite a bit for the world at large, but everyone forgets that. Maybe we should have cashed in those loans made to many European nations during WWII. The amount of money given from American charities exceeds any other country. While you may want to focus on the war, and other supposed atrocities, America has built schools, hospitals, bridges, and many other types of infrastructure for countries that approached us in the correct way. Our government needs to be brought under control, but the political system we have is not going to do it. Hell you can see the political cheerleaders right here on CM as an example of how many act. Nature has a way of balancing things out, and as an American I can see the decline of power my country holds. It is tearing itself apart from the inside. Bursting at the seems from the bloat of corruption, apathy and anti-constitutional ideas. If humans could live for centuries, you could wait a couple of them and then have some other country to complain about. Negativity breads negativity and your bitching reminds me of a bratty sub. If you are ever in the states, send me a Cmail and we can hook up for a pint or four. Maybe all you need to see is that life is good and it is on our own power on how to feel about it. Orion quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war Trace the timeline back to 1950 and you'll see a history of invading countries, killing the locals and replacing their government with a version willing to pander to US market interests in return for a share of the pie. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd take a guess there were at least a couple of democrat presidents in 1953, 1954, 1964, 1968 etc. If the guess is accurate, the only plausible conclusion is that Iraq is not really about democrat or republican, it's a nation that will kill foreigners in return for economic gain. You could argue it's a result of a well-oiled propaganda machine, or people being apolitical, or people not caring a jot whether or not American planes and tanks kill people. One unmistakable fact, though, is the fact that the US is a nation with a recent history (probably longer for all I know) of killing, displacing and generally ruining the lives of people in other countries. History suggests a democrat president will not prevent the next Iraq.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 3:38:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle So... APPEASING the President didn't work? They should have just said, "You got all the money you put into the Budget for Iraq, it's not our fault you can't handle fiscal responsibility.", and just continued to insist on timelines. the Democrats were elected to stand up to Bush not just on the war Trace the timeline back to 1950 and you'll see a history of invading countries, killing the locals and replacing their government with a version willing to pander to US market interests in return for a share of the pie. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd take a guess there were at least a couple of democrat presidents in 1953, 1954, 1964, 1968 etc. If the guess is accurate, the only plausible conclusion is that Iraq is not really about democrat or republican, it's a nation that will kill foreigners in return for economic gain. You could argue it's a result of a well-oiled propaganda machine, or people being apolitical, or people not caring a jot whether or not American planes and tanks kill people. One unmistakable fact, though, is the fact that the US is a nation with a recent history (probably longer for all I know) of killing, displacing and generally ruining the lives of people in other countries. History suggests a democrat president will not prevent the next Iraq. Sometimes I think the Brits get a bit jealous that they don't run the world like they did back in the 16 and 1700s. We can look at Britain's atrocities in history if you like....but what's the point? Keep in mind that the Brits controlled all of Iraq in the 1920s. The only reason Britain pulled out was because they needed troops to fight the Nazis. So I don't think Britain really has any moral high ground when they bash the US foreign policy. They have done their fair share of colonizing the world.

NorthernGent -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 4:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The amount of money given from American charities exceeds any other country. Wolf, I'll be honest, I think most of you are idiots. I'll say 15% of this board are decent people. I'll compare this with say 18% of the British. I think most people are lost regardless of country, but your lot are taking it to new heights. Look at your foreign policy. I'll take issue with your above comment, though. You've gotten it into your head that you're a charitable nation. To the rest of the world, this is hilarious. Can you provide a link to show that Americans per head charity exceeds any other country? Victim of propaganda, mate.

philosophy -> RE: Bush approval is 29%....Congress down to 23% (6/16/2007 5:24:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Sometimes I think the Brits get a bit jealous that they don't run the world like they did back in the 16 and 1700s. We can look at Britain's atrocities in history if you like....but what's the point? Keep in mind that the Brits controlled all of Iraq in the 1920s. The only reason Britain pulled out was because they needed troops to fight the Nazis. So I don't think Britain really has any moral high ground when they bash the US foreign policy. They have done their fair share of colonizing the world. .......and what lessons did we learn from that history of experience, i wonder? Isn't it possible that one reason so many Brits find US foreign policy unfathomable is that it seems absolutely not to have learned from history?

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