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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
I do not understand the depravity which might cause one to violate sense so deeply.  Perhaps, I have lost my sanity far less than others?  Still, most people continue to ignore truth and believe in their emotional fantascies instead of substaince

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
I simply ask you, and all others, consider logic presented.  That they make a legitimate attempt to understand.  Insanity, the willing and blantant contradiction of logic, is truly a disgusting thing, leading to all sorts of inhumane ends.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
You know, Real.. I try to teach.  I've argued to my peers before, as close as I should have them, that it's possible to teach a common man many things.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Einzelganger

I'm also wondering how an internal combustion engine is going to run at 800 degrees.

So, correct me if I'm still not getting it, or if I missed something, but I cannot begin to fathom how any ICE would operate for more than a few seconds at such temperatures.

-Einzelgänger

No its not the engine that would need to be at 800 degrees.   It is the temperature of the gas flowing out of the exhaust ports and into the exhaut pipe that would be the only aspect of real heat.   Dont forget a hydro carbon burn is roughly 1500C on every explosion in the cylinder but is integrated over time so your engine with the help of the cooling system is easily kept to a reasonable level.

You know it been so long i forget all the finer points of rebuilding but i think we used to allow about .001 per inch diameter of piston and a little extra maybe +.001 up to +.002 if you were going to run it hard on a track.

Then there are the fire breathers, dragsters, that blow flames out each exhaust port that run port temps at the the burn temperature of alcohol.  The exhaust manifolds to the best of my knowledge are all cast with soft iron gaskets.   i would be very cautious tho trying these things on an aluminum block, i have never been able to fully buy into the alum block even for typical car. 


ICE!!!!  NOw there is the archilles heel!!!  Good one!

That has been bugging me!  i am tossing around my options on that and the only thing i can think of that is practical would be to drain the water from the producing reservoir and pipe exhaust into the main reservoir.  then when the key is turned on use the battery to warm the producer and exhaust to warm the main.

Excellent thoughts on that!  i am plagued with trying to come up with something convenient there too...

i suppose another approach might be to have a small bottle of hydrogen gas compressed to start the car then heat, (melt) the ice from both the producer and the main tanks with exhaust and then when hyd production begins switch over...   yeh no doubt a few hurdles to overcome.

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ORIGINAL: Einzelganger
*smacks his forehead*  Ok, I feel like a moron now, lol.  I didn't realize you were talking about the exhaust charge temp.  Yes, exhaust temperatures in some cars are even hotter.  Ever see the headers on a Formula One car after a race?  It takes more than 800F to give them that nice, cherry red glow. :)

-Einzelgänger

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Weigh?  Who cares?  How much can a small circuit board weigh? The rest of your electronic and firmware engineering questions are seriously simple and frankly a waste of text to go into.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Superluminal and Subluminal Signals  

In the appendix to Space Time and Gravitation, V. Fock demostrated that singular solutions to Maxwell's Equations of electrodynamics satisfied the eikonal expression, a quadratic partial differential equation with signature {+++-}. Mappings which preserved the eikonal, taking a discontinuity in E field to a discontinuity, were of two and only two types. A linear type which Fock proved was the Lorentz group of transformations . This result is the foundation of special relativity.

The other mapping was a non-linear Mobius projective transformation. In the linear mapping, it can be argued that the propagation speed of the singular solutions must be a constant. (The ubiquitous c - the speed of light). For the non-linear mapping the propagation speed of the singularity can be anything - including infinity. !!!

In optically active media, the propagation speed of the discontinuities is faster or slower that the speed of light, depending on the whether or not the helicity (circular polarization) is aligned or anti-aligned with the optical axis.

http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/maxwell.pdf

Must be lonely up there huh CL?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i explained the operation of an engine cooling system and how they regulate temperature in a response to Sinergy, you may wish to look at that link.

Sure its super easy to build why not give it a whirl?  Beats the hell out of wasting time on a forum.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i explained the operation of an engine cooling system and how they regulate temperature in a response to Sinergy, you may wish to look at that link.

Sure its super easy to build why not give it a whirl?  Beats the hell out of wasting time on a forum.

I did look at the links, Real0ne.  I am simply asking questions based on my limited understanding of automobiles, physics, etc.

A quantity of energy is capable of pushing a specific amount of mass.  Increase the mass, need to increase the energy.  Increase the heat, need to deal with the increase in heat.  I am not arguing the principle.  That would be "pure science" and I am not qualified to do so, and I suspect you are correct in your assertions.  I am arguing the applied science or technology as to how do we go from A to B.

Running pumps that will push water (as steam) will require the entire system to be capable of dealing with sustained temperatures of steam at 800 degrees or greater the entire time.  When I used to monkey with my cars, one of the biggest issues was gaskets, etc., in order to deal with heat, pressure, etc., for a long period of time.

I was reading about a week ago about a kid who built a plasma generator in his garage with parts he purchased from the hardware store.  Fascinating stuff.  Did not make much (or any) energy, but the kid was freaking 16 and he built a plasma generator that ran off house power.  The reason it did not make any energy is that it required more house energy to generate the plasma than the plasma produced at the other end.

But he was 16, and he did something which most people would consider impossible outside of a laboratory.

I am asking you questions in order to gain a firm understand of what your line of thinking is.  The response I get is a snarky "why dont you stop posting and go build one in your garage."

Well, ok.  You dont want to be understood.

Let me know how it works out for you.

Peace out.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


I disagree with your point about the gas moving through an engine being the only thing that needs to be 800 degrees, Real0ne.

Heat bleeds off into everything in an engine, and the component parts simply grow hotter over time.  

yes and no.

yes heat does bleed off into the parts of the engine, no it will not cause the engine to grow conitually hotter because of the water jackets throughout the block and heads.   The water pump via the water flowing through the radiator and the fan behind the radiator in conjunction with the water thermostat is designed to keep the engine block at a constant temperature.  With how cheap and "closely" designed somethings are on cars now days some cars cant make it across the desert as is off the shelf, but that is a result of cheap.

The water system via thermostat keeps the engine at a reasonably constant temp.  That is why the engine itself will be fine and holes will be in the pistons, as the only cooling the tops of the pisons get is the splashers on the oil system.

a cooler block would draw heat off of the exhaust gas faster but the exhaust gas at road speeds would still be very hot flowing through the exhast ports because it does not sit in the cylinder long enough to transfer the bulk of the heat to the block and rather goes out the pipe.

here is apretty good diagram and parts used list that i think makes both your point and mine.

http://www.centuryperformance.com/coolingsys.asp

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

that quote i thought was to someone else not you...

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Running pumps that will push water (as steam) will require the entire system to be capable of dealing with sustained temperatures of steam at 800 degrees or greater the entire time.  When I used to monkey with my cars, one of the biggest issues was gaskets, etc., in order to deal with heat, pressure, etc., for a long period of time.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

that quote i thought was to someone else not you...

Really.  Ok.

Peace out.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Superluminal and Subluminal Signals  

In the appendix to Space Time and Gravitation, V. Fock demostrated that singular solutions to Maxwell's Equations of electrodynamics satisfied the eikonal expression, a quadratic partial differential equation with signature {+++-}. Mappings which preserved the eikonal, taking a discontinuity in E field to a discontinuity, were of two and only two types. A linear type which Fock proved was the Lorentz group of transformations . This result is the foundation of special relativity.

The other mapping was a non-linear Mobius projective transformation. In the linear mapping, it can be argued that the propagation speed of the singular solutions must be a constant. (The ubiquitous c - the speed of light). For the non-linear mapping the propagation speed of the singularity can be anything - including infinity. !!!

In optically active media, the propagation speed of the discontinuities is faster or slower that the speed of light, depending on the whether or not the helicity (circular polarization) is aligned or anti-aligned with the optical axis.

http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/maxwell.pdf

Must be lonely up there huh CL?

You're quoting Maxwell's Equations.. pre-relativity stuff..

But, hey, if you want to quote Aristotle (sp?), you'll find there are four elements: earth, wind, fire, and water.  You can tell me how wrong I am for believing in Oxygen, k?  ;)

Not Aristolte's fault.  He came around before much was known.  He sounds like he was a smart guy.  Same goes for Maxwell- who sure as hell did a lot.  Just keep in mind, it's dated.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

..you don't understand what that actually says, do you?