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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 2:14:29 PM

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Republicans are such whiney little bitches and so fucking short sighted and stupid. THIS is the issue you think we need to deal with? Bush has us bogged down in two wars, both of which we are not only losing militarily but politically and diplomatically all while our real enemies are growing in both strength and numbers.

But you want to whine about who is paying for Hillary's travel?

Sounds like a repeat of WWII where Republicans kept Democrats from fighting Hitler and Japan and wouldn't let Democrats arm America for the comming war. Funny how history repeats itself.

I'm not a republican, and I think this is ridiculous. I'm a libertarian, and I think Hilliary and many others are the scum of the earth. I would go even further and accuse some politians on either side with treason. However it doesn't seem to matter the American people how many times our constitution is violated. Democrats, Republicans....it's all the same. They are all neocons, that don't respect the people, the constitution, or liberty.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 2:47:00 PM

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Makes it so easy to say they are all scum of the earth, then you don't have to DO anything anymore and can just whine.

When was the last time you worked on or supported ANY politician of ANY stripe?

Sorry, there ARE differences between politicians and parties, sometimes not as much as we would like but they ARE there. There are Republicans I respect, Democrats I despise and vice versa.

The more people that throw up their hands and say "they are all the same" the happier the corporations and the powers that be are, you are doing EXACTLY what they want.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 3:25:54 PM

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Well said Michael, and I'll take it a step further.

Many American can't seem to stop demonizing those they don't agree with on even a single issue. You know, I'm pro-life ... to an extreme that I think all abortion should be outlawed, and if you are caught getting or performing one, you should go to jail, forever.

That said, I can work for a candidate that is pro-choice, if that candidate is best for the country. We differ on one issue, but doing what is right for the majority, is the mandate of an American ... getting your own way, isn't. In the example above, it's pretty clear that I'm in the vast minority, so in that instance, democracy gives me a huge dose of STFU.

Demonizing all, is the most dangerous position of all. Consider this ... none of the candidates have ever been President before. We don't really know what kind of President they will be. Even examining their past voting records can be problematic ... if they live in a hyper-liberal of hyper-conservative part of the country, you would somewhat expect them to vote for the people they represent. When they represent the mainstream, for instance, if they were elected President, they might just do the same thing, "vote" in the mainstream.

Now, in the instance of Senator Clinton ... come on folks. This is America, and right now, it takes a ton of money to get elected. No matter the candidate or the party ... right now, it's take PAC money, or get one-percent in the election. People that cringe at that system, should perhaps vote for the candidate that favors elections funded by the federal government. (not a bad plan, really)

This entire thread is like whining about the air, when there isn't anything else to breath.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 3:38:01 PM

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Sorry, there ARE differences between politicians and parties,

Bill Clinton wants a hit of whatever you've been smoking.

The differences you imagine only exist in the minds of powerless partisan followers.

Once a politician achieves any sort of real power, the immutable law of corruption takes over, and for all practical intents and purposes, there is no difference between the politicans or the agenda in either party.
(Note that taking opposite sides on an issue for the purpose of gaining a partisan victory, is still an example of being equally corrupted by power).

The exceptions that make the rule can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 4:31:55 PM

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"Republicans When did Northsario become a Republican? are such whiney little bitches and so fucking short sighted and stupid. THIS is the issue you think we need to deal with? How campaigns are financed seems to be a rather large issue in general, however most people can deal with more than one issue at a time, perhaps some of us can't. Bush has us bogged down in two wars, both of which we are not only losing militarily but politically and diplomatically all while our real enemies are growing in both strength and numbers. That is one view esspoused by several candiddates, however among those candiates there are differences in thier sources of funding, which seems to be a rather legitimate subject for discussion in your primary process.. I guess it is rather obvious why you are angry that the subject is brought up at all. Whiny little bitches, gotta love the way you throw insults around, I suppose it is the only way to support your arguments.

But you want to whine about who is paying for Hillary's travel?

Sounds like a repeat of WWII where Republicans kept Democrats from fighting Hitler and Japan and wouldn't let Democrats arm America for the comming war. Funny how history repeats itself. Hmm, you mean when the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in both houses, had stacked thier own SC, and FDR ran and was elected multiple times on a platform of keeping America out of the war in Europe.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 5:27:27 PM

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One thing she didn't do: appoint Donald Rumsfeld as his defense secretary.

Hillary lost my vote when I learned she never read the CIA National Inteligence Estimate before casting her use-of-force IRAQ vote.

I'm going to vote for either Edwards or Obama.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 5:31:09 PM

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To the OP: Oh for heaven's sake. Neither has any other candidate not taken campaign contribitons. It's an election year, what did you expect? She is also an attorney, and quite a skiled one. I am not that well informed on the candidates as of yet (but I plan to be). I wouldn't castigate her for spending campaign contributions, though - I think that's pretty par for the course.

- Susan

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 7:29:21 PM

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Makes it so easy to say they are all scum of the earth, then you don't have to DO anything anymore and can just whine.

When was the last time you worked on or supported ANY politician of ANY stripe?

Sorry, there ARE differences between politicians and parties, sometimes not as much as we would like but they ARE there. There are Republicans I respect, Democrats I despise and vice versa.

The more people that throw up their hands and say "they are all the same" the happier the corporations and the powers that be are, you are doing EXACTLY what they want.

Um the last time was this weekend I passed out 200 Ron Paul fliers at a fair. Or maybe you would count today when I donated to his campain today. And tommarrow The rally I organized for Ron Paul's Birthday will take place on my towns square. (his birthday is today but I had to cancel due to tornado warning). You'll be able to check a video of it out on youtube in the coming days. I also promote him online.

There are many more parties than republican and democrat. Like I said I'm a libertarin, which is why I'm supporting Ron Paul. I don't just sit back and whine. I point out whats wrong and take actions to make change in Washington. I cannot speak for others, but for myself it is not just whining.

All the best
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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 7:35:56 PM

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Oh and you can check out the speech I wrote for my rally tommarrow on my journal.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 8:06:06 PM

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What is wrong with doing a little heroin? Everyone is doing heroin. There is a big difference between heroin and cocaine. A long time ago, everyone was doing cocaine, and no one liked heroine, now there is a big difference between the two, so do not miss those differences.

Find some principles, and stick with them. Taking the lesser of two evils, always leads to evil.

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/20/2007 8:56:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Makes it so easy to say they are all scum of the earth, then you don't have to DO anything anymore and can just whine.

When was the last time you worked on or supported ANY politician of ANY stripe?

Sorry, there ARE differences between politicians and parties, sometimes not as much as we would like but they ARE there. There are Republicans I respect, Democrats I despise and vice versa.

The more people that throw up their hands and say "they are all the same" the happier the corporations and the powers that be are, you are doing EXACTLY what they want.

i dont know about cassie but i am goingto kick some alderman ass in a couple days. sunna bitch is trying to get support for pre-emptive law enforcement. not on my turf LOL

yeh a party is a constrct and any time a politician opens their pie ho the opposite is true. If they rally against it they are for it behind the scenes.

just read the rest WTG cassie!

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/21/2007 8:03:05 AM

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Hmm, you mean when the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in both houses, had stacked thier own SC, and FDR ran and was elected multiple times on a platform of keeping America out of the war in Europe.

Oh, sure, if you're going to put it that way...

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RE: Hilary R. Clinton.."Whatever I've done, I comp... - 8/21/2007 8:16:59 AM

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Find some principles, and stick with them. Taking the lesser of two evils, always leads to evil.

Well put.

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