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Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 7:36:51 AM   
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RE: Dr. Kavorkian - 5/31/2007 7:41:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Has Dr. Kevorkian heard of this?

curiously,
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RE: Dr. Kavorkian - 5/31/2007 7:46:54 AM   
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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 8:20:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hrm... well good.  He shouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

As a person who pretty much grew up watching her mother die a slow and painful death due to cancer, I think there does come a time where euthanasia is the right choice.  In my family's case our own doctor was so upset about the state my mother had degenerated into that he could not treat her without weeping.   There was nothing right about keeping her in a state of semi-conscious continual torture... but the law is the law.

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 8:41:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you Puella, I have seen someone I love and took care of suffer, at the end they did the right thing for him and put him on a morphine drip... code for put him out of his misery because he was not going to live much longer anyways.

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 9:35:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		His prison is about 20 miles north of me, every time I drove by I would think of him. I don't agree with his body dropping habit but the basic essence? Yup.

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 9:41:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Hrm... well good. He shouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

As a person who pretty much grew up watching her mother die a slow and painful death due to cancer, I think there does come a time where euthanasia is the right choice. In my family's case our own doctor was so upset about the state my mother had degenerated into that he could not treat her without weeping. There was nothing right about keeping her in a state of semi-conscious continual torture... but the law is the law.


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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 9:49:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Hrm... well good.  He shouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

As a person who pretty much grew up watching her mother die a slow and painful death due to cancer, I think there does come a time where euthanasia is the right choice.  In my family's case our own doctor was so upset about the state my mother had degenerated into that he could not treat her without weeping.   There was nothing right about keeping her in a state of semi-conscious continual torture... but the law is the law.


As a person with an incurable (to date) debilitating disease, I hope that I can choose for myself, the same compassion I give my pets when their quality of life is unsalvageable. 

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:00:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course he should have been sent to prison, he was breaking the law.  Let's be fair, assisted suicide happens a great deal.  Hospice "may" administer a lethal dose or just keep someone on pain medicine until they are non-compus mentus.  I think most people are in favor of that.  Euthanising someone who is terminal, alert, not in pain but simply wants to control the way they exit the world is another story altogether.  When you codify such behavior you create a slippery slope where euthanasia gets applied to more and more situations.  You don't need a guy like Kevorkian.  You have Hospice and you have books like "Final Exit" and you have your private personal physician, perhaps.  I'm sorry about your mother and I understand, first hand, what you went through.

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:00:29 AM   
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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:03:33 AM   
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Of course he should have been sent to prison, he was breaking the law. Let's be fair, assisted suicide happens a great deal. Hospice "may" administer a lethal dose or just keep someone on pain medicine until they are non-compus mentus. I think most people are in favor of that. Euthanising someone who is terminal, alert, not in pain but simply wants to control the way they exit the world is another story altogether. When you codify such behavior you create a slippery slope where euthanasia gets applied to more and more situations. You don't need a guy like Kevorkian. You have Hospice and you have books like "Final Exit" and you have your private personal physician, perhaps. I'm sorry about your mother and I understand, first hand, what you went through.


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Seems like it, if The State can tell you what you can and cannot do with Your Self.

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:06:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I  just can't help but think of this every time I here about Kavorkian.  "How sad is the world, but I have my Kavorkian Scarf."

http://www.illwillpress.com/scarf.html

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:16:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		New Orleans was bad. You had patients who couldn't be moved, were going to run out of meds, needed constant care and and were going to be left to die unless the nursing staff killed them first.
:( :( :(

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 10:25:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Shoot yourself. 

No no, I mean, you can kill yourself.  Are you arguing for parapalegics going to clinics and being put down like lame horses?  You failed to address the certainty of how a law like what you are advocating would be prostituted and twisted.  For example, abortion under Roe v. Wade becoming partial birth abortions, etc.  

Also, you are wrong about not being free to kill yourself.  I have never heard of anyone who has killed themself being prosecuted.  The issue is that you can't hire someone else to take a hit out on you.  So, yes, it is very much illegal for the service provider. 

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 12:16:15 PM   
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Shoot yourself.

No no, I mean, you can kill yourself. Are you arguing for parapalegics going to clinics and being put down like lame horses?



If that is the paraplegic's CHOICE, than that is their CHOICE?

Who am I to enslave them to anyone else's choice?



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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 12:21:12 PM   
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Shoot yourself. 

No no, I mean, you can kill yourself.  Are you arguing for parapalegics going to clinics and being put down like lame horses?  You failed to address the certainty of how a law like what you are advocating would be prostituted and twisted.  For example, abortion under Roe v. Wade becoming partial birth abortions, etc.  

Also, you are wrong about not being free to kill yourself.  I have never heard of anyone who has killed themself being prosecuted.  The issue is that you can't hire someone else to take a hit out on you.  So, yes, it is very much illegal for the service provider. 


Sure, except sometimes people don't die even from a direct shot to the brain.
NP, but who is going to clean up the blood gore & smashed grey matter?
Who finds the body? Some little kid? Little old lady?

Hope the body gets found fast, decomposition is nasty stuff.


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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 1:10:05 PM   
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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 1:45:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is about friggin time.  I am one who also believes he never should of been there.
Having been with him while he helped a friend pass - I found him to be compassionate and caring.  He took a great deal of time to make sure that this was what she wanted to do.

I'll offer him a room at my home here - since assisted is now legal in the state I live in - we could use a man like him here.

When I go - it will be on my terms - not some nut who feels all life is precious - (tell me how precious it is when all you can do is hurt or be so stoned you don't know where you are because of the pain).  Life ain't so precious then.


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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 3:35:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		That was the second time you ignored the argument about the euthanasia law being prostituted into something completely different than what was passed; something that might bear little reflection to its original intent.  Why respond to my posts if you are only going to take a tiny fragment?  Just in this brief exchange of correspondence, you have already extended euthanasia from people who are terminally ill (and going to die anyway) to people who are parapalegics who might live to a normal life expectancy for a man or a woman.  That is a pretty big leap, yes?  I want to thank you for illustrating just who easily you can find yourself on that slippery slope.  So...if we allow parapalegics to have themselves killed because it is, afterall, their choice, why not simply let the people who suffer from depression have themselves killed as well?  How about the people who are terminally in debt?  lololol

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RE: Dr. Kevorkian - 5/31/2007 3:43:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You aren't "prosecuted", you are committed to a mental health facility for being a danger to yourself or others for 72 hours or, perhaps, longer.

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