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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 9:38:09 AM   
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my oldest daughter was born a gifted dancer - i saw this in her by the time she was three years old.  She didn't start taking dance lessons till she was around 14 and once the teacher saw her natural talent they assumed she had studied for years somewhere, they were astonsihed she was self taught.  They saw in her an ability they could nurture and help grow, they even offered to allow her to take more classses then i was going to sign her up for, for free, this his how much they thought of her talent.  They said she could probably go to Juliard one day if she so desired.    For reasons i won't get into here - she doesn't go to dance school anymore, life took a different course for her.  Her natural talent along with her studying technique and basic stretches etc will make her a "Master" at dancing.  Without both she's just a really good dancer - and will never be able to dance professionally.  i liken the term Master to someone who has developed skills and earned the title by putting effort into his "art"

Here is the dictionary definition of Master:
–noun



1.
a person with the ability or power to use, control, or dispose of something: a master of six languages; to be master of one's fate.



2.
an owner of a slave, animal, etc.



3.
an employer of workers or servants.



4.
the male head of a household.



5.
a person eminently skilled in something, as an occupation, art, or science: the great masters of the Impressionist period.



6.
a person whose teachings others accept or follow: a Zen master.



7.
Chiefly British. a male teacher or schoolmaster.



8.
a worker qualified to teach apprentices and to carry on a trade independently.



9.
a title given to a bridge or chess player who has won or placed in a certain number of officially recognized tournaments.



10.
a person holding this title.



11.
a person who commands a merchant ship; captain.



12.
a victor or conqueror.



13.
a presiding officer.



14.
an officer of the court to whom some or all of the issues in a case may be referred for the purpose of taking testimony and making a report to the court.



15.
the Master, Jesus Christ.



16.
a person who has been awarded a master's degree.



17.
a boy or young man (used chiefly as a term of address).



18.
Also called matrix. an original document, drawing, manuscript, etc., from which copies are made.



19.
a device for controlling another device operating in a similar way. Compare slave (def. 5).



20.
Recording.



a.
matrix (def. 13).



b.
a tape or disk from which duplicates may be made.



21.
Also called copy negative. Photography. a film, usually a negative, used primarily for making large quantities of prints.



22.
master of foxhounds.



23.
Archaic. a work of art produced by a master. –adjective



24.
being master; exercising mastery; dominant.



25.
chief or principal: a master list.



26.
directing or controlling: a master switch.



27.
of or pertaining to a master from which copies are made: master film; master matrix; master record; master tape.



28.
dominating or predominant: a master play.



29.
being a master of some occupation, art, etc.; eminently skilled: a master diplomat; a master pianist.



30.
being a master carrying on one's trade independently, rather than a worker employed by another: a master plumber.



31.
characteristic of a master; showing mastery. –verb (used with object)



32.
to make oneself master of; become an adept in: to master a language. [or change the word language to slave here]



33.
to conquer or overcome: to master one's pride.



34.
to rule or direct as master: to master a crew.



35.
Recording. to produce a master tape, disk, or record of: The producer recorded, mixed, and mastered the new album.





[Origin: bef. 900; ME maistre, maister, OE magister < L; akin to magnus great]
—Related forms
mas·ter·less, adjective

—Synonyms 1. adept, expert. 26. main, leading, primary, prime, cardinal. 31. adept, expert, skillful. 33. subdue, control. 34. govern, manage. The words i bolded are what i personally identify with as Master - it has to have some distinction or why not just call oneself a dominant? You asked me to consider a dog and make a comparison between a slave and a dog - i would rather not because in my line of thinking they are not related in any such way, so i really wouln't be able to say anything that would make sense to you in this frame of reference. Suffice it to say slaves are humans with minds of their own not governed by base instincts.... their needs are far more complicated then a dogs.  i will say this though - if you choose to adopt a dog and don't consider the temperment of the breed and do a bit of research and consideration for its breed's particular needs - you might just find yourself bit in the ass when you least expect it  The term i used "learn the dynamic" simply meant understand how slaves in general "tick" - what they are all about - what their needs are, what your responsibility would be in how to meet those needs and understanding it's not a matter of just saying i am - but actually inspiring others as well.  Some i will grant you are "naturally" better at it then others but to think you never have to learn a single thing and just call yourself Master is rather short sighted.  When i looked over the Master definition list #12 seems to stick out above the rest for what i sense resonates with you when you think of the term Master, could be wrong, it's just my impression.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 9:38:24 AM   
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Well my job here is done.  *S*

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 9:44:44 AM   
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Becoming a good master is an on going situation until you die and if lucky by that time you have mastered yourself..I know for myself I am learning and growing every day...just the views of this ol' master

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:32:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

The term i used "learn the dynamic" simply meant understand how slaves in general "tick" - what they are all about - what their needs are, what your responsibility would be in how to meet those needs and understanding it's not a matter of just saying i am - but actually inspiring others as well.  Some i will grant you are "naturally" better at it then others but to think you never have to learn a single thing and just call yourself Master is rather short sighted.


Yeah, I've always said learning about a slave is a good thing- I agree with you here.

I suppose, in part, the disagreement would be a difference of view.  I see studying a slave, or even slaves in general, to be case studies about slaves, as opposed to research on Masterhood itself.  Sort of like, a mother with a toddler is a mother, even if she hasn't looked up how to treat the chicken pox yet or learned how to deal with that specific kid.


quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

When i looked over the Master definition list #12 seems to stick out above the rest for what i sense resonates with you when you think of the term Master, could be wrong, it's just my impression.


quote:

ORIGINAL: "Definition 12"
a victor or conqueror


No, I don't .. see why you'd think this.  Would you tell me?

If I had to chose any one, it would be number two.

quote:

ORIGINAL: "Definition 2"
an owner of a slave, animal, etc.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:35:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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What does it mean, to "learn the dynamics"?  This is an honest question- I'm not sure what people need to learn.  Perhaps I'm missing something?


Yep


So is this one of those deals where I'm going to get snarky comments from no clear basis of explanation, or are you willing to elaborate?

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:39:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

Well my job here is done.  *S*


Congrats on.. going through someone's profile and misrepresenting them..?  ..for the sake of being annoying..?

Despite however long life might be, there are some things people do that I doubt I'll come to understand.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:43:53 AM   
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"I propose everyone act naturally.  If, naturally, they guide and such, and give some orders, congrats!, they're a Dom(me).  If they naturally demand another follow them, as to be their property, and take control and responsibility, woot!, you're a {Master/Mistress}!  If they.. (sub, slave, etc., etc.) "

Very well said CuriousLord. In my opinion, you are a master as long as you own  a slave.


I appreciate it.  Yours is a valid definition.

As velvettears is showing, some people seem to have a view that being a Master is something more than the obvious.  This quality that they perceive seems to be elusive; while I feel it's a syptomatic effect of either such a condition or such a condition's own cause, not many have even come close to directly stating it yet.  I'm hoping to find one to directly state it soon so that we might have a more complete survey of definitions.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:50:00 AM   
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God forbid one of these fake upstarts who actually has to learn by doing, has the audacity to make mistakes not just once but a few times before they sink in, or even worse has to get some silly life experience in order to gain enough perspective to understand it isn't just dark outside but that their head is shoved so fucking deep up their ass that that light they think is so bright is nothing but a very very dim bulb.


Do you actually feel so insecure as to resort to this sort of thing at one's mention that he believes it possible for this role to be natural?  Unless, of course, someone actually stated that coming into this role is somehow an "audacity"..

Sorry, I try to respond to everyone, but I'm never sure if you're actually bitter or just making something not too far unlike a fart joke.  If you actually do have such a view, feel free to elaborate- why you feel that this thread has been unjust in its representation.  If this was just some kind of crude humor- well, I guess I just don't get these sorts of things very well.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 11:59:08 AM   
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Greetings
this one may not be a Master but being burn once or twice and still carrying the wounds and scares. my feelings are such, if one is a true and honest Master, or even a dom, he holds and cherish his slave, he accepts and covins her submission, he does not explote her limites or boundries that have been negolated, if you know something is going to push a panic button or cause a fear in her, you dont shove it down her thorat and then because either do to phyiscal or emontional limitations call her a wanniebe,
this is just my feeling and opions
plain old java slave and property to no one due to the actions of others

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 12:31:01 PM   
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Find a girl you truly care about and one who cares about you. That is no different that vanilla life. Honesty, friendliness and concern for others attract and you probably already know what turns people off. Same things here.

Start slowly with her and explain your desires. If she doesn’t get it, work on your ability to get your point across in a respectful way. Care about her and consider her thoughts and feelings. Have fun together doing lots of vanilla things and see where the relationship goes. If we had any secrets they would have been splashed across the internet years ago.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 12:47:07 PM   
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I guess I just don't get these sorts of things very well.



Don't worry kid, one day you will, in fact one day you will look back and laugh, thats what the rest of us are doing now.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 1:12:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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I guess I just don't get these sorts of things very well.



Don't worry kid, one day you will, in fact one day you will look back and laugh, thats what the rest of us are doing now.


My not getting your crude humor or your fear of actually stating your points is humorous to you?  This strikes me as strangely easily amused, Simp.

I suppose you're probably the kind that's going to show up to my graduation and laugh, claiming it's somehow below you, despite your utter inability to articulate anything but the self-serving sentiment; correct?

Sorry, I've just seen you only make posts about your problems and then snarky comments at people who don't have similar ones.  I guess I'm a cross of annoyed you're not bold enough to state a logical point but still juvenille enough to try to annoy people all the same.  I know most people just laugh at you, believing your thoughts to be satire.  After this, I suppose I'll go back to it.  Guess I just wanted to give reasoning with you a shot.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:25:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

quote:

I guess I just don't get these sorts of things very well.



Don't worry kid, one day you will, in fact one day you will look back and laugh, thats what the rest of us are doing now.


Dont anger Ted too much, Michael.

I would miss your messages and conversation if you got blown to bits.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:27:57 PM   
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no one can call themselves a Master unless they are either proficient in the use of any of the tools of our trade or who has undergone a "formalized" training program and when the family training them feels they are adequate, bestows upon them the title of Master..Usually one who calls himself a Master with a tool has been through a course similar to Black Rose, PEP, TPE or similar, and has spent more time perfecting the usage.A Master, by Webster's, is a man who rules others or has control over, the head of a household.Now, this is where Master as a word lends itself to monumental confusion..A Master can be the head of a household. Therefore, any sub can call the head of her household Master and be perfectly correct....Any slave feeling she is owned by another can correctly refer to them as her Master.Any person in the BDSM scene lifestyle who is proficient in any of the tools can, by right, call themselves a Master of that tool....

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:49:58 PM   
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So anyone who participates in BDSM activites but doesn't participate in a public arena or hasn't been trained by one of the forementioned organisations cannot be a master or mistress?
A person can have all those 'qualifications' yet, not have the ability to master themself.
 
Velvet already gave the list of 'official' definitions and one thing that stands out to me and always has is that a master is someone who has mastery over one single thing that no-one else has - be that property, an object, and art or even themselves.
 
To me, that indicates a hell of alot of masters.
 
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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:50:30 PM   
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Oh, com'n now, my 'lil stalker!  Would it be so hard to debate a topic instead of continuing this passive-aggressive bickering?

What's 'Ted' a reference to, btw?  I haven't seen too many movies.

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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:55:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

God forbid one of these fake upstarts who actually has to learn by doing, has the audacity to make mistakes not just once but a few times before they sink in, or even worse has to get some silly life experience in order to gain enough perspective to understand it isn't just dark outside but that their head is shoved so fucking deep up their ass that that light they think is so bright is nothing but a very very dim bulb.


Do you actually feel so insecure as to resort to this sort of thing at one's mention that he believes it possible for this role to be natural?  Unless, of course, someone actually stated that coming into this role is somehow an "audacity"..

Sorry, I try to respond to everyone, but I'm never sure if you're actually bitter or just making something not too far unlike a fart joke.  If you actually do have such a view, feel free to elaborate- why you feel that this thread has been unjust in its representation.  If this was just some kind of crude humor- well, I guess I just don't get these sorts of things very well.


I get a lot of pleasure from your thoughts and avatar.




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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 2:58:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

my oldest daughter was born a gifted dancer - i saw this in her by the time she was three years old.  She didn't start taking dance lessons till she was around 14 and once the teacher saw her natural talent they assumed she had studied for years somewhere, they were astonsihed she was self taught.  They saw in her an ability they could nurture and help grow, they even offered to allow her to take more classses then i was going to sign her up for, for free, this his how much they thought of her talent.  They said she could probably go to Juliard one day if she so desired.    For reasons i won't get into here - she doesn't go to dance school anymore, life took a different course for her. 


well that sux.


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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 3:22:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SireKane

"I propose everyone act naturally.  If, naturally, they guide and such, and give some orders, congrats!, they're a Dom(me).  If they naturally demand another follow them, as to be their property, and take control and responsibility, woot!, you're a {Master/Mistress}!  If they.. (sub, slave, etc., etc.) "



Well....I agree thats one defintion. Maybe everyone has lowered the bar on this to the point where this is the only politically correct definition.

Personally, I havent. I am one of those odd ball people who think this goes past the toys and the relationship into something more.

I have some degree of personal character standards I hold myself to and unfortanely, Jimbo the beer bellied one toothed crack smoking slob with the sense of integrity that just barely goes past the bar for the average child molestor who just so happens to convince some naive chick off the Internet to come and stay in his house doesnt qualify.

This is just me though. Yes, I do judge, the same way I judge myself and let me assure you I have quite a lot of experience and self development before I feal comfortable with anyone calling me Master.

In fact, I hate the word. I really do. It makes me feal like I am wearing pants three sizes too big.

I agree with Archer. I beleive it begins with something inside of you. Call it desire, spiritual calling, an itchy rash, whatever. Certain individuals have it. I've met some of these individuals and when you say the word "Master", they deserve it. I have no idea whether I will ever be one of these individuals and dont really care. I know where I get my fulfillment and know which path has made me into a person I can actually look in the mirror and be proud of.

But this idea that its all about "acting naturally", I dont agree with. Yes, being yourself is what is important, but yourself is constantly changing and growing.

I had to learn to be comfortable with the idea of a women carrying all the grocery bags while I had none. I had to learn some of the natural behaviors we develop with visitors to our home and instead let that visitor fix the coffee and tea. As naturally dominant as what we want to claim to be, we're all still socialized to the same extent with the same behaviors....the whole "gentlemen" thing....unless of course we're completely socially dysfunctional and havent learned how to interact with average people successfully. Some of us unfortanely have to unlearn these habits and behaviors that come with being used to being a gentlemen and dealing with vanilla girlfriends and instead train ourselves how to act like a sub or slave.

But...wait...those people are just playing "roles".

Wow...I want to know what genes carry the ones that grant someone all the life experience necessary to make good decisions that earn a person's trust. Apparently I missed out on those! Or maybe...its because I am 23 and have many aspects of life to still experience.

Which genes give you all the knowledge necessary to handle every situation and problem that arises in a M/S situation? Oh wait...who needs that? Its super easy! She just does everything I say and we'll have no problems! And if she doesnt, then I kick her to the curve for being a bad slave and disobeying me! Its super easy, guys!

Which genes...

teach a person how to effectively use corpeal punishment?
teach a person how to use different behavior modification techinques to alter behavior?
teach a person how to develop the self control not to have a meltdown and start calling everyone idiots?
teach a person how to do laundry, cook, clean, etc so they can turn around and teach a new slave these things?
teacg a person how to effectively communicate without causing negative reactions in the majortiy of people?

I really want to know, because I still have yet to hone or completely understand the majority of these skills. I guess I have missed out on some genes.







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RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... - 5/31/2007 3:55:30 PM   
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Why can't a Mster and a Dom be the same person?

One really can't be a Master without being Dominant.
BUT one can be Dominanat with out being a Master

I'd rather others say I'm a Master than for me to proclaim
that I'm one and make a fool of myself.

Folks will figure you out very quickly if you're what you claim to be.

What's that old saying?

It is better to be thought a fool than to
oepn ones mouth and remove all doubt



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