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Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:25:14 PM   
new2thisinFL


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Does anyone know where I can begin to look for a guide/mentor for myself (a femsub), and my other half (a male Dom). We are both new and would like to talk to those who have trained several before us....
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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:25:50 PM   
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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:29:15 PM   
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Welcome to the boards. As you state that you are very new you may wish to do a search here on these message boards under the topics of "Mentor" and "training".  Mentors are not trainers and you will also find that there are many different opinions on the validity or necessity of such. There have been many threads here that should provide you with a wealth of food for thought that should help you decide if "mentoring" and "training" are right for you.

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:30:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Says the lamb on the way to the slaughter...


LOL....I was trying hard not to go there and had to type my response with my nose because I had to sit on my hands .

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:54:30 PM   
Elorin


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The central Texas area has a mentors group for Dominants and many RT submissives group provide mentors. It's a question of what you want a mentor to do. If you want someone that you can bounce your ideas and concepts against and who will give advice when asked for, that's one thing. If you want someone who will show your Dom what to do by doing it to you while your Dom watches, or who will insist that both of you "obey" him/her in order to learn, that's another. The local BDSM scene will be filled with people with many different talents, and each of those can probably share their technique with you while you are learning.

Are you looking for help with mental, emotional, technique, or just to know you aren't the only ones who have had such troubles before?

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:55:39 PM   
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I would recommend that you get involved locally to find real people to mentor you into the lifestyle, if that is the word you prefer, I find no problem with it... i have had mentors in life myself, just not for BDSM. I can see a lot of advantages for a new couple starting out to seek advice on the particulars of play that maybe dangerous or edgy, and seeking out those who know how to do those things. In my experience the relationship dynamic is particular to the individuals involved and no one way is a right way... people involved with your local community would probably be a better resource to you than online people to demonstrate skills to you and advise you....



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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 7:57:17 PM   
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I have two mentors both Dominants/Masters, i sort of adopted them weither they liked it or not realy, i became friends with them, i respected them a hell of a lot still do.
 
Got to know them, they where good teachers also, i would not take on someone i had not got to know as a mentor, they have to have integrity, my respect for them never dropped after months of getting to know them, that is when i sort of adopted them, and they dont mind. 
 
I ask them so many things and they have never discouraged me or made me feel like i was been a pain in the arse. i knew they where not for me because i had got to know them, but it did not stop me building a relationship of friendship with them, its been a few years now.

and i would never stop been their friend (even if they dont like it lol)

Only advice i can give you because that way has worked for me, but as the saying goes not every way is good for everyone.

All the best to you both

beanie


< Message edited by ennaozzie -- 5/29/2007 8:01:01 PM >


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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 8:00:25 PM   
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I met my mentor through her husband, he noticed I was in their general area {they are about 30min north of me} and he an I exchanged emails, then she answered one of them and after a few days of regular emails she kinda, took on that 'mentor' role. I never asked, nor did she, it just happened, for us, it was/is better that way.I was not looking for a mentor, I was looking for friendship, and for someone to remind me at times {like safecalls, emergancy outs, meet in public, etc}, at times I do forget, its also nice to have someone to talk to about being a mom or about other stuff.

Since then, I have mentored a few others, mostly girls who are 18 or 19 and a few who are 'refered' to me by others because of similar situations; its fun, I learn as much as from the girls I have mentored as they have from me, and as I have from my own.

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 9:00:12 PM   
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Hello new2thisinFL. I would not recommend "mentors" that would "scene" with you. "Mentoring" means a lot of things to a lot of people... For some who like to help, correspondance is sufficient.

For those who like to "mentor" by "showing" you how it is done in person? Just read SimplyMichael's first reply to your post!

I suggest you hang around and read the threads for a month or so. Participate and post about what interest's you. After a while, you will get to know about a few "cyber-mentors", what they think, what flavor they like and if they "really" like to help (not use you for "therapy" or something).

Some of these people would be happy help you out, just try to have a short list (4 or 5) and E-mail them your questions while posting these also for the rest of the community. After a while, you will know "whom" to talk to if the shit hits the fan (damage control) or if you find a rare"special" kink you want more information about (flogging standing up in a canoe, Babylon 5 based protocols etc.).

Contrary to many "beliefs", subs also make excellent "mentors" for dom's if you have with them a real "learning" relationship (in a non-scening context). I would recommend dom/sub, master/slave and longterm 24/7 D/s experienced people "that you like", and in different age groups.

As I said, today you have the chance of having "many" mentors from all aspects of BDSM  and all age groups ("try" to not make any "distinctions"or "exceptions" for gender or sexual preferences). There is no need to have "old style" apprenticeships and/or "initiations" when you are just starting. This is the twenty first century.

Just think of the "beginning" as an exploration phase, that will be followed with more "defining" instances of "your" choosing. Good luck, and most important, have fun! RL.

PS: Baby steps! and no surprises! This is very important.





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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 9:09:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Says the lamb on the way to the slaughter...



Hello SimplyMichael. You funny but...you baaaad, man! LOL! RL



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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 9:39:39 PM   
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When I was first learning about BDSM I chatted with several people on-line who offered to mentor me.  After a few e-mails with each I weeded out the ones that were obviously just trying to get me to play and the ones that just didn't fit with what I was learning.  I settled on one who seemed right-on with everything I was learning from different sites and the boards for the local group.  He never tried to get me to meet him, he simply offered his advice.  When I finally did meet him it was at a munch, not in private.  I have the deepest respect for this man who gave loads of his time and never once asked for anything in return.

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 10:05:09 PM   
juliaoceania


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quote:

For those who like to "mentor" by "showing" you how it is done in person?


Mentor just means guide or teacher... there are some things that people should be guided through before they try them at home on another person without any experience. Even bondage is not a safe thing if one does not know how to keep the circulation going and just starts tying up body parts and constricting blood flow. Perhaps we mean different things with the word mentor. To me if someone introduced me to people that had knowledge of how to do my kinks, could advise me on other safety issues and  I respected them and their input because they had experience BDSM wise, I would consider that "mentoring" me.. but we all have different ways of looking at words and what they mean.

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 10:28:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: robertolapiedra

Hello new2thisinFL. I would not recommend "mentors" that would "scene" with you.


VERY good point and I agree wholeheartedly.

In my experience, the real mentors are precisely the ones who don't try to get in your pants (or scene.) Mentors should have your wellbeing in mind and not be trying to use the fact that you're new as an easy way to take advantage of you. The idea of a mentor gets a lot of bad press in the scene because too many people, claiming to be mentors, are actually doms on the prowl to catch someone fresh and pull them off the market (oftentimes this is the only way such a person can get a sub because once the person isn't so new they know better.) This shouldn't be such an issue considering you already have a dom but there's no reason why you both can't be mentored. I suggest meeting like minded people and forming relationships with those you naturally would: those whom you learn to respect and admire through time spent together. You can't just meet someone and immediately ask if they'll be your mentor, because what precisely would you be going on in making the call that they in fact have something worth passing on to you? Get to know people first and the relationships will form naturally.

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RE: Mentors - 5/29/2007 11:03:02 PM   
robertolapiedra


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPaige

When I was first learning about BDSM I chatted with several people on-line who offered to mentor me.  After a few e-mails with each I weeded out the ones that were obviously just trying to get me to play and the ones that just didn't fit with what I was learning.  I settled on one who seemed right-on with everything I was learning from different sites and the boards for the local group.  He never tried to get me to meet him, he simply offered his advice.  When I finally did meet him it was at a munch, not in private.  I have the deepest respect for this man who gave loads of his time and never once asked for anything in return.


Hello LadyPage. Thanks for pointing out that there is a "process" for finding one's mentor. But it can be arduous for some.

What I recommend is finding "mentoring" first, as this eventually leads to mentoring relationships, and a healthy consulting habit when one is "unsure", or just curious.

With mentoring, good safe practices are encouraged and make for "happier" people which this world needs. I just wanted beginner's to know, that a good mentor is always there to give information without any ulterior motives.

On CM, you may get some good information (mentoring) "before" trying out stuff. Just by chance, you may also find a mentor who lives near your neck of the woods, if you need personal contact. RL.

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RE: Mentors - 5/30/2007 7:15:06 AM   
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aloha new, i would be happy to help, what are you looking to learn exactly?


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RE: Mentors - 5/31/2007 2:40:35 PM   
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Unfortunately, the advent of the multimedia online has confused and blurred the definitions of   mentor and trainer.A mentor usually does not work a sub/slave/student although that is a negotiation between the student/sub/slave and a mentor and/or Master. Mentor: Webster's definition is a wise advisor, teacher or coach...A mentor is usually used hand-in-hand with a trainer where the mentor is usually the friend/confidant of the sub/slave/student...Both Mantors and trainers are highly frowned upon for asking or wanting sexual favors.I think that all Masters or Mistresses have to be a trainer (of sorts) for it is their job to move a sub towards the most total person they can be.

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RE: Mentors - 5/31/2007 4:56:14 PM   
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I really wanted to respond to this thread yesterday and didn't have the time.  (I see not much has changed, so maybe this is still relevant.)

I would politely like to disagree with the crowd.

Usually, when we see thread topics about mentors (and trainers, which is generally a little different) the OP usually finds their experience goes badly because the outside party really wants to be the 'inside' party.

But this is completely different.  (Or at least it would be to someone experienced who would be willing to help fairly.)  Here we're talking about a couple, together, not a single person who can be taken advantage of.

A couple of years ago, a submissive who I had known (but not known 'that' way) many years prior contacted me about getting together with her partner for an evening to show him how top/bottom works.  She was far more interested (needing that in her life) than him, and wanted to get him more involved.  He ended up cancelling, and they ended up splitting up as a result.  And no, I never 'got any'.

But this couple (the OP) want to learn, presumably, equally and together.  A scenario like I described above would be ideal, in my opinion.  The budding top gets to see what is used/how to use it, the effects on their particular partner, the emotions that arise, the whole bit.  Assuming the demonstrator remains just that, I don't see the issue.  One night can be scheduled, multiple nights, whatever.

Now, I've limited this to topping/bottoming.  'Teaching' relationship aspects (D/s, M/s) is another thing altogether.  Sure, discussions can be had, but this is where things would be likely to get personal if 'enacted'.  Not to say that it couldn't responsibly, but it's better to keep the third party in a more 'sterile' environment.

But I don't think this type of request is anything like a single person wanting a mentor/trainer.  At all.

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RE: Mentors - 5/31/2007 5:01:25 PM   
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Look into your local BDSM community.  If there are any active groups in your area, they may meet for munches or in my area, coffees and play parties.  The group I belong to has demos from time to time.  There may be something similar in your area.  Also being local, someone more experienced can show your Dominant the use of different toys, proper technique etc that wouldn't be easily done via the internet.

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RE: Mentors - 6/1/2007 5:24:57 PM   
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The problem in finding training or mentoring is finding someone who is reputable.  There are tons of links online to read and learn many different vantage points about an issue.  Why not try that initially and if not happy with that then try to find mentors?

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RE: Mentors - 6/1/2007 7:06:50 PM   
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Apologies for the length of this post, but this is an article I wrote on the subject that might provide food for thought:

On BDSM lists, it is common to see Dominants who offer “training”. How can an inexperienced submissive differentiate between those who are genuine, and those who are sexual predators? Our view is this: The difference between a predator and a mentor relationship hinges upon two things: costs and power balance.

With a predator there are always costs – financial costs, sexual costs and/or emotional costs. On balance, the predator gains, the victim loses. There is always an inequality in the power structure. The predator is in charge, the victim does their bidding. In a mentor relationship the power is shared – there is negotiation, with both parties having an input. You could compare it to the difference between a lecture and a dialogue.

In a BDSM situation, a mentor is one who is equally willing to share their knowledge with Dom/mes or subs, males or females. This is because there is no ego investment involved. The mentor is a healthily self assured person who freely gives of their expertise, because their payback is the pleasure of seeing the other person grow. Of course it gives them a buzz – but the buzz for the learner is just as great, as they master the skill or concept.

If there is a power exchange it is only in the temporary context of the learning situation itself – it doesn’t extend beyond it, and it is the choice of the learner – they are not coerced into it. Similarly with any sexual content in the learning – the learner has asked to explore that aspect of their sexuality, it is not something that the mentor has determined they will do and forced upon them.

In a mentor relationship, both parties control the content of the learning experience. Both parties have input into what is taught and learned, but the focus is primarily on what the student wants to learn rather than on what the mentor wishes to teach. The mentor seeks feedback from the learner, listens to it and responds appropriately to it. The learner is free to accept the learning or to reject it – there are no punitive consequences for them. When a mentor challenges the learner to step out of their comfort zone, it is an invitation, not an order. The mentor seeks to draw out the learner’s potential, but the learner is free to walk away at any time.

Predators are usually skilled at emotional blackmail, threats and manipulation. They seek to keep the learner in the relationship, so they can continue to exploit them. The mentor, on the other hand, encourages and supports the learner’s growth, because it is not a threat to them. The mentor will encourage the student to end the lessons when they decide the student has learned what they contracted for; the learner will end the lessons with the predator when they realize they are being taken advantage of. The mentor and the learner are likely to remain friends; the learner and the predator usually part on bad terms. The predator tends to have a history of failed relationships, which have ended acrimoniously, because they blame others for their failings. The mentor tends to acknowledge their mistakes and admit their fallibility. They do not blame the student for failure to learn, but look to their own teaching methods and try to improve them.

The mentor is open to learning from the student, and does not set themselves up as someone whose credentials place them above criticism. Consequently, they are open with others about what they are doing, because they have nothing to hide. Where there is honesty and integrity there is no need for secrecy. As part of the learner’s development, the mentor encourages them to have contact with others in the community, they do not seek to isolate them from it. Like a good parent, the mentor’s ultimate aim is independence for the learner, not dependency.

Mentors do not usually advertise their services aggressively – people tend to seek them out rather than the other way around. They are regarded as trustworthy people within the community who have mastered certain desirable skills, and who have the willingness and ability to instruct others in attaining those skills themselves. In a mentor relationship, the mentor often works for free or at their own cost, giving of their own time and resources. They see it as giving back or passing on that which others have generously shared with them. A predator takes more than they give. Most often, they take money or power. But whatever they take, they do not give value for it. Their promises and what they actually deliver do not match up, or to put it another way, they do not walk their talk.

The acid test of whether someone has been dealing with a mentor or a predator is to ask them afterwards how they felt about it. A mentor will leave them enriched with a sense of pride and achievement; a predator will leave them feeling used and ripped off. A mentor will therefore be able to refer the learner to previous submissives, who will freely give favourable testimonials.

Our thoughts, with thanks to the mentors who have guided us in our own growth and development.


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