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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Since my collection of early BDSM books is fairly complete just tell me which edition and what page.  Anyone else wish to chime in here for or against this concept?

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

The whole thing about not entering clubs or other scene functions alone stems from when the entire scene was completely underground. In the far past if a submissive walked into a club alone most people could correctly assume that she/he had told no family or friends of intent to attend or where it might be. Because of that some newbies would be caged and held as "club slaves" for extremely long periods of time. It was almost never a pleasant experience for the newbie since everyone also could surmise that this individual was unowned or uncollared and therefore had no one checking to make sure limits were respected. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see where that would lead. So back then it was sage advice for a newbie to avoid functions alone.

That all began to change near the end of the 70's when the scene began to become more public. Now a new submissive thinking of attending a club or function alone only needs to use some reasonable caution and let a friend know in advance that she/he will be going to a somewhat risque' venue and have the friend check up if the friend doesn't hear back by a reasonable time. The friend should of course have the address of the event, but doesn't need to know what it is all about. With people meeting each other online all the time now there is nothing unusual about having a friend as a safety backup waiting to hear you got home okay.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Show me one reputable source that validates your statement

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In the far past if a submissive walked into a club alone most people could correctly assume that she/he had told no family or friends of intent to attend or where it might be. Because of that some newbies would be caged and held as "club slaves" for extremely long periods of time.

Since my collection of early BDSM books is fairly complete just tell me which edition and what page.  Anyone else wish to chime in here for or against this concept?

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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Since my collection of early BDSM books is fairly complete just tell me which edition and what page.  Anyone else wish to chime in here for or against this concept?

I'm not prepared to absotely call a "bullshit" here, but to me it sounds like an "urban legend" kind of apocryphal warning.  Unfortunately I can't speak from personal experience because I was not involved in the NYC leather club scene pre-1970's.  It's certainly not something I've ever heard of from anyone I know and respect as a Leather elder.  I haven't seen John Warren around here lately but I'm sure he would have pertinant information if there is any.  Perhaps I could check with Lenny Waller, vi Johnson or some of my other contacts in the SM activist and education community?  Perhaps the Leather Archives and Museum would have information on this practice of "club slaves"? ? ?

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ORIGINAL: goodgirl85

Hi. I think its time for me to get into the "local" scene community. I live in Mass, close enough to both Providence and Boston, however I don't know where or how I would find events and the such. I have googled different terms but nothing local comes up. Also,  my knowledge of people in the scene is very limited, mainly just those I have met online and even though I do not want to attend something by myself  I have been told that subs should not attend a new place alone. Can anyone help me with my predictament? 

Thanks
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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

The whole thing about not entering clubs or other scene functions alone stems from when the entire scene was completely underground. In the far past if a submissive walked into a club alone most people could correctly assume that she/he had told no family or friends of intent to attend or where it might be. Because of that some newbies would be caged and held as "club slaves" for extremely long periods of time. It was almost never a pleasant experience for the newbie since everyone also could surmise that this individual was unowned or uncollared and therefore had no one checking to make sure limits were respected. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see where that would lead. So back then it was sage advice for a newbie to avoid functions alone.

That all began to change near the end of the 70's when the scene began to become more public. Now a new submissive thinking of attending a club or function alone only needs to use some reasonable caution and let a friend know in advance that she/he will be going to a somewhat risque' venue and have the friend check up if the friend doesn't hear back by a reasonable time. The friend should of course have the address of the event, but doesn't need to know what it is all about. With people meeting each other online all the time now there is nothing unusual about having a friend as a safety backup waiting to hear you got home okay.

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I'm not prepared to absotely call a "bullshit" here, but to me it sounds like an "urban legend" kind of apocryphal warning.

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

The whole thing about not entering clubs or other scene functions alone stems from when the entire scene was completely underground. In the far past if a submissive walked into a club alone most people could correctly assume that she/he had told no family or friends of intent to attend or where it might be. Because of that some newbies would be caged and held as "club slaves" for extremely long periods of time...  

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ORIGINAL:Jay Wiseman

Short answer first:  Bullshit!

Slightly longer answer:  even back in "those" days consensuality was a  very
fundamental concept and value.  The "cage them" behavior described  above is
grossly nonconsenual, even felonious. 

Back then, single women tended to get a lot of "welcoming attention" (in 
some parts of the country it can be so intense that it's called "swarming")  and
modernly that hasn't changed much  -- but locked in a cage or  something like
that because they were there without a "protector" and nobody  knew where they
were?  Absolute total bullshit.

Let me take a bit fat guess:  the people (almost all of which  are male doms)
offering this precautionary message are also offering to be  escorts to
"protect" these new female submissives -- with, of  course, absolutely no plans or
desires to play with/have sex with said  submissives, right?

By all means, please feel free to forward this post whereever you  like.

Very sincerely,

Jay Wiseman -- who has been in the scene for more than 30 years and who has 
never heard even the vaguest and most fleeting of rumors of something like
this  happening.

_www.jaywiseman.com_ (http://www.jaywiseman.com)

• Rule #1 in life never take anything for granted.
  
• Rule #2 there is safety in numbers, especially when you have friends along with you while you are in strange places or situtations with with strange people.
  
• Rules #1 and #2 apply to any place questionable you might go.  Be it strange Bars, Clubs, Rock Concerts and the like.