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Quivver -> Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:23:56 AM)

An interesting read with some eye opening figures.


http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm




Level -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:35:02 AM)

Good morning, Q [:D].
 
Well, at least I'm not a pyschopath, my conscience is the size of a barn.




Quivver -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:41:55 AM)

I hear that.  [:D]

I thought it was interesting that the number of psychopaths was greater then anorexic's!  That totally blew my mind!


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ORIGINAL: Level

Good morning, Q [:D].
 
Well, at least I'm not a pyschopath, my conscience is the size of a barn.




darkinshadows -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:42:56 AM)

Such an article is only surprising if a person doesn't accept the animal in human behaviour.  Nearly all people are to some degree, psychopathic - it just means their Id is strongest or primary.  And if it isn't primary, then we still all have such and it just depends on the degree - if you believe and understand in the Id(or even ego and it is the yin to the yang), then you believe and understand psychopathic potential in all people.
 
Peace




MasterCuffsyou -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:43:41 AM)

A very interesting piece..thanks for sharing.




StellaByStarlite -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:51:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Good morning, Q [:D].
 
Well, at least I'm not a pyschopath, my conscience is the size of a barn.




Me too, except for the last piece of cake. Snagging the last dessert has never brought me one single moment of guilt, harharhar!

All's fair in love and sweets. =)




Level -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:54:49 AM)

What is it's Scorcese reaching for the last piece? [X(]




darkinshadows -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 3:57:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite

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ORIGINAL: Level

Good morning, Q [:D].
 
Well, at least I'm not a pyschopath, my conscience is the size of a barn.




Me too, except for the last piece of cake. Snagging the last dessert has never brought me one single moment of guilt, harharhar!

All's fair in love and sweets. =)
 
Ha! - Depends on the cake - now if it is chocolate...
 
Peace




MadameDahlia -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 4:00:16 AM)

Very interesting. This sort of thing fascinates me to no end. The topic came up when I was with a group of friends. And a rather fun debate sparked. We discussed how psychopaths differ from sociopaths.

And for those who are interested...

The differences between the two are somewhat fuzzy according to the fourth edition of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). They're both listed under "Antisocial Personalities" because they share some traits. But I maintain that they're still two unique conditions, seperate from each other.

Both seem to lack a conscience. Both are self-serving. Both fail to feel remorse or guilt. And they show a disregard for the rights or feelings of other people. The characteristics tend to appear by age 15. And one signal may be cruelty to animals. The traits will be repetitive, going well beyond normal adolescent mischief.

However, sociopaths tend to be more nervous and easily upset. A sociopath does not often know how, nor does s/he care, to blend in with normal society. They will act out spontaneously, in all sorts of inappropriate ways, never pausing to consider the consequences. They're equally as likely to put themselves in danger as they are likely to put another person in danger.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are secretive, organized and manipulative. They mime "normal" behaviors, often effortlessly blending in. And their outer personalities are often very charming, persuasive and charismatic. Because of the differences, psychopaths have a tendency to be better educated than the average sociopath.

The differences in behavior, from a criminal standpoint, also make psychopaths a lot harder to catch. Sociopaths are apt to "lash out" for no real reason (look up *Twinkie Defense), needing little to no outside influence to set them off. Psychopaths are more apt to become serial killers, crafty, cunning and driven to succeed.

* While the Twinkie Defense is not actually an example of a sociopath at work, the lack of logic behind it is the same. Eat a Twinkie... Fly into a homicidal rage. There's no rhyme or reason.

A better example to differentiate between the two might be as follows:
A sociopath will pull out a knife and stab you if s/he suspects you're looking at something s/he has decided s/he wants. A psychopath will stealthily follow you out to your car, take down your license plate number, research it back to your home address and carry out a methodical murder at his/her leisure.





StellaByStarlite -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 4:36:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

What is it's Scorcese reaching for the last piece? [X(]


Oh, he would be SO gone, sorry. Besides, he's rich as all get-out, he can get his own damn cke, and buy me some too! LOL!




Real0ne -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 8:09:31 AM)

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What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)?


i would join the adam weishaupt gang and be a controlling interest in the nwo!  LOL


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt


"What does psychopathy have to do with personal or social evil?" you may ask.

Absolutely everything. Whether you know it or not, each and every day your life is touched by the effects of psychopathy on our world. You are about to learn that even if there isn't much we can do about geological and cosmological catastrophe, there is a lot we can do about social and macrosocial evil, and the very first thing to do is to learn about it. In the case of psychopathy and its effects on our world, what you don't know definitely can and will hurt you.

Nowadays the word "psychopath" generally evokes images of the barely restrained - yet surprisingly urbane - mad-dog serial killer, Dr. Hannibal Lecter of "Silence of the Lambs" fame. I will admit that this was the image that came to my mind whenever I heard the word; almost, that is. The big difference was that I never thought of a psychopath as possibly being so cultured or so capable of passing as "normal." But I was wrong, and I was to learn this lesson quite painfully by direct experience. The exact details are chronicled elsewhere; what is important is that this experience was probably one of the most painful and instructive episodes of my life and it enabled me to overcome a block in my awareness of the world around me and those who inhabit it.

Regarding blocks to awareness, I need to state for the record that I have spent 30 years studying psychology, history, culture, religion, myth and the so-called paranormal . I also have worked for many years with hypnotherapy - which gave me a very good mechanical knowledge of how the mind/brain of the human being operates at very deep levels. But even so, I was still operating with certain beliefs firmly in place that were shattered by my research into psychopathy. I realized that there was a certain set of ideas that I held about human beings that were sacrosanct - and false. I even wrote about this once in the following way:

...my work has shown me that the vast majority of people want to do good, to experience good things, think good thoughts, and make decisions with good results. And they try with all their might to do so! With the majority of people having this internal desire, why the Hell isn't it happening?

I was naive, I admit. There were many things I did not know that I have learned since I penned those words. But even at that time I was aware of how our own minds can be used to deceive us.

Now, what beliefs did I hold that made me a victim of a psychopath? The first and most obvious one is that I truly believed that deep inside, all people are basically "good" and that they "want to do good, to experience good things, think good thoughts, and make decisions with good results. And they try with all their might to do so..."

As it happens, this is not true as I - and everyone involved in our research group - learned to our sorrow, as they say. But we also learned to our edification. In order to come to some understanding of exactly what kind of human being could do the things that were done to me (and others close to me), and why they might be motivated - even driven - to behave this way, we began to research the psychology literature for clues because we needed to understand for our own peace of mind.

If there is a psychological theory that can explain vicious and harmful behavior, it helps very much for the victim of such acts to have this information so that they do not have to spend all their time feeling hurt or angry. And certainly, if there is a psychological theory that helps a person to find what kind of words or deeds can bridge the chasm between people, to heal misunderstandings, that is also a worthy goal. It was from such a perspective that we began our extensive work on the subjects of narcissism which then led to the study of psychopathy.

Of course, we didn't start out with such any such "diagnosis" or label for what we were witnessing. We started out with observations and searched the literature for clues, for profiles, for anything that would help us to understand the inner world of a human being - actually a group of human beings - who seemed to be utterly depraved and unlike anything we had ever encountered before. We found that this

The rest:
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/friendly/signs_20060414_friendly.html

This is another article that i stumbled upon purely by accident as a result of yours.  i did not intend to read this but the more i got into it the more i read and first thing i was at the end.  i never heard the term POLITICAL PONEROLOGY before LOL




popeye1250 -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 8:10:16 AM)

Gee, what President does that remind you of?
Do psychopaths tend to marry each other I wonder?
The only thing that really registers with people like that is brutality and extreme physical violence.
Prison terms won't do it. They just get the victim mentality and think they were "unjustly prosecuted." Or persecuted.
Look at Ted Bundy, the legal system absolutely failed.
And just like child molestors, people like that can't be "cured."
Too bad some Hell's Angels types didn't run into him and beat the living daylights out of him with lead pipes.
Let him meet some other psychopaths! lol
Forty some odd women would be alive today.
I don't have a lot of faith in the justice system.
The Police take "reports" and nothing ever happens.
And the Courts just clean up after the mess.
There's no "prevention" or "protective" means in the justice system except for the joke they call "restraining orders."
Sure, people like Ted Bundy would have been real afraid of a "restraining order."
That's another thing about psychopaths, they tend to know all the limitations of the law and how to exploit them.




NakedGirlScout -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 8:27:38 AM)

hmmm eek according to this I am a psychopath
ROFL




happypervert -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 8:46:54 AM)

I usually enjoy articles like that and this one was interesting article at the start, then I had a couple of "WTF?" reactions; the first was to this:

"One very interesting aspect of the psychopath is his "hidden life" that is sometimes not too well hidden. It seems that the psychopath has a regular need to take a "vacation into filth and degradation" the same way normal people may take a vacation to a resort where they enjoy beautiful surroundings and culture."

I dunno the details about these psychopathic "vacations", but this standard could end up labeling a lot of kinksters as psychopaths because they imply "normal" people can't like that too. It looks to me their research has focused on the psychopaths without understanding enough about the desires of so called normal people. Me and my conscience very much enjoy our vacations into debauchery; I'm not claiming to be normal, but it doesn't make any us psychopaths either.

Then there was this gem:

"The recent movie, "The Matrix," touched a deep chord in society"

Yeah right! You know someone is stretching to make a point when they have to point to The Matrix for a commentary on society just because high school kids flock to it in droves on dates. Perhaps next the author will explore the deep meaning in the philosophy of Adam Sandler.

So although there was some interesting ideas in there, I got skeptical about what had previously seemed like insights when I saw them reaching too far to make others. But I'll keep the 4% number in the back of my mind, or 1 out of 25, and figure that some have done such a good job of concealing it I just haven't spotted them yet.




Real0ne -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 8:56:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happypervert
"The recent movie, "The Matrix," touched a deep chord in society"

Yeah right! You know someone is stretching to make a point when they have to point to The Matrix for a commentary on society just because high school kids flock to it in droves on dates. Perhaps next the author will explore the deep meaning in the philosophy of Adam Sandler.





i really hate to put it to you like this but you have absolutely NO CLU what that movie is about to say what you did.


It is a purely political movie as is so many now days, like idiocracy and 16 sonething or other with willis.

everyone is trying to tell peple about what is going on and they use "supposed" fantasy scenarios to get the information out!  Its been that way for years becasue everything is sup[pressed.

If you ever want a "real" eyeopner write down all those names and labels they use in the matrix and research their origins, purpose and history and you will be in for the shock of your life!

wake up man!




Sinergy -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 1:22:57 PM)

 

An interesting read.

There was an issue of Psychology Today a few months ago dedicated to the Narcissistic personality.  The title was "He seems so nice, why is he such a jerk?"  This article made a comparison between the psychopath and the narcissist.  Apparently, the primary difference is only a matter of degree.

One point the article / issue made was that the easiest way to control or manage a narcissist is to kiss their ass.  Why narcissists tend to surround themselves with fawning yes-men.  On the down side, a person being surrounded by yes-men as it at the mercy of of their level of education and insight into a situation, because yes-men seldom (if ever) object to what The Man thinks.  A classic example of this is Saddam Hussein.  Not only was anybody who disagreed with what he thought fired, they were executed.  Consequently, anybody who survived in his inner circle did so by parrotting back to him his opinions.

On the opposite side, the article made the point that if you ever humiliate or prove the narcissist wrong, kiss the relationship goodbye because they will never forgive or forget, and will spend the rest of their lives scheming your downfall on some level.

Most of the biographies of and interviews with people about AnencephalyBoy make the point that anybody who has ever humiliated him sealed their fate doing so.  I suspect if AnencephalyBoy wasnt so busy fighting against the people who have lost faith in him, he would send the Secret Service over to kill Stephen Colbert for so thoroughly humiliating him at the White House Correspondent's Dinner last year.

Sinergy




Zensee -> RE: Psychopaths among us......... (5/23/2007 1:41:17 PM)

There are more psychopaths out there than we think. They are called Corporations - organisations with more rights than individuals or nations AND no responsibility for anything other than their bottom line.


Z.




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