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Sinergy -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 4:50:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy They hate it too, Arpig. It undercut the Mexican farmer who cannot produce food as inexpensively as the United States can, and are being shoved even further back into poverty because they cannot earn enough money to buy things like food. If they're really farmers, then they can grow food - and by your own account, Americans are selling them food more cheaply. But what really makes your argument seem shallow and weak are all the recent news reports concerning the skyrocketing price of corn due to the Greens & Global Warming nuts insisting on replacing new oil fields with ethanol plants. And a lot of Mexicans subsist on corn... so what you're saying makes no sense, any way you look at it. Are you a farmer? Do you know anything about farming? While it is possible that a farmer can grow corn, they cannot sell it to buy, for example, gasoline, car parts, shoes, tequila, etc., because the prices are undercut by US imports into Mexico. Sinergy

Jack45 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 5:50:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 ... on CNN tonight they reported that Congressman John Boehmer today called this amnesty Bill, "A PIECE OF SHIT!" And all the Congressmen and Senators are getting millions of calls from irate constituents telling them not to vote for this piece of shit! I tryed to call Sen Lindsey Graham's office today as a follow up to my visit to his office on monday and you don't even get a busy signal anymore, just a recording to leave your name and number! lol That is so great, I bet Boehner is not alone in those sentiments, after all the GOP is supposed to be the party of conservative Americans. Bush I cannot figure out, why he does what he does. Nevertheless what you did was very good, and too many have been sitiing on their butts and NOT making a call, let alone driving to the office and slam-dunking the staff, as you did. Newt Gingrich was on O'Reilly day or two ago and he said this bill is atrocious, for the nation and the party: O'Reilly Factor with Michelle Malkin -- May 21, 2007 quote: This bill is a disaster. It is a failure. It should be defeated. It should cease to exist. The Senate ought to go back to regular business. They ought to try to produce an immigration bill through the regular committee process out in the open where people can look at it, amend it, refine it, criticize it. But this particular deal is as big a disaster that any Republican has had in my lifetime, and I predict, if in fact it gets through the Senate, it will be a disaster for every Republican Senator and a lot of Democratic Senators because I think the anger is bipartisan. Taxpaying Americans do not want to be told that international gang members are going to be amnestied. Lou Dobbs Tonight -- CNN -- May 22 quote: Former Senator Fred Thompson says the Senate's grand compromise is likely to fail because the American public simply doesn't believe the government. Thompson is a possible candidate for the Republican 2008 presidential nomination, saying the legislation won't win the support of the public. And he said Americans don't trust the senators to live up to their promises. Thompson said, "Nobody believes them. It goes to the bigger issue of their lack of credibility our government has these days." Members of the audience were impressed by his lack of political jargon and his plainspoken approach to the issues at hand.

Real0ne -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 5:53:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 Hey how about a quote from Adolf Hitler as well? [&:] That statement holds true for the Irish migration of the 1850s and the Eastern/Southern European migrations of the 1890s-1910. It never ceases to amaze me that so many whites are ignorant of the fact that so many of them became "white" only in the last 100 years. This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the rule of law. It is ILLEGAL to enter this nation without a visa (just like every other country in the world). It is illegal for employers to hire illegal immigrants. It is the responsibility of the federal government to secure the borders of the United States according to the Constitution. So I come here and demand that the laws be followed....and then I'm called a racist for doing so. I am not against LEGAL immigration! And I don't give a damn what skin color they are. But if you jump the border and then protest in the streets with the Mexican flag....you damn well better believe I will be demanding the government to deport your ass. i know a sure fire solution to the immigration problem. just shoot them on site as they come across and any illegal here that protests ship them back LOL.

Sanity -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 6:05:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy Are you a farmer? Do you know anything about farming? Why do you want to know. How is that any of your business. The answer doesn't have any bearing on this thread... so you don't have reason to worry yourself about that. quote: While it is possible that a farmer can grow corn, they cannot sell it to buy, for example, gasoline, car parts, shoes, tequila, etc., because the prices are undercut by US imports into Mexico. Sinergy AGAIN, Sinergy - read the news. Corn prices have skyrocketed because of the demands for ethanol (because of the Global Warming Cult). There have even been protests in Mexico due to high corn prices... and of course farmers can sell what they raise and buy other things. Your wild guesses in this matter are so far off the the mark that it's gone beyond ridiculous now... please, educate yourself before you speak!

popeye1250 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 8:07:29 PM)
Jack, yeah I'm going to call Cong. Boehmer's office tommorrow and tell his staffers to tell him to say that again! And to say thankyou! Yeah, I heard about Fred Thompson comming out against it too! And now Rudy Guiliani as well! Damn! McCain will be the only 2008 guy to support it, Bush kiss-ass that he is! And, they said that McCain is no longer a "top tier" candidate since his support for this amnesty disaster either! How can McCain be so stupid as to go directly against the American People on this?

TheHeretic -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 9:43:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy While it is possible that a farmer can grow corn, they cannot sell it to buy, for example, gasoline, car parts, shoes, tequila, etc., because the prices are undercut by US imports into Mexico. Sinergy So they switch to growing drugs. The government has that market segment completely propped up.

Sinergy -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/23/2007 10:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity please, educate yourself before you speak! I am not speaking, this is text typed and sent over the internet. Please educate yourself before you post. Secondly, the day you start providing any sort of information backing up any of your opinions will be the day I start taking any of your posts seriously. Sinergy p.s. My information about how NAFTA is impacting Mexican farmers came from a presentation and panel discussion by graduate students from UCLA studying the issue, so I dont have a link to provide to support my position.

popeye1250 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 10:33:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity please, educate yourself before you speak! I am not speaking, this is text typed and sent over the internet. Please educate yourself before you post. Secondly, the day you start providing any sort of information backing up any of your opinions will be the day I start taking any of your posts seriously. Sinergy p.s. My information about how NAFTA is impacting Mexican farmers came from a presentation and panel discussion by graduate students from UCLA studying the issue, so I dont have a link to provide to support my position. Sinergy, you're right about Nafta affecting the Mexican People adversly. Nafta wasn't put in place to help people but Corporations. They also promised us that it would "cut back on illegal immigration" too! Another LIE. Just like all those "High-paying manufacturing jobs" that NAFTA would create for American workers! It's been 13 years, where the fuck are they? Where's that drunk Kennedy on this??? On the News they said John Edwards and his people don't like Bush's amnesty bill either. And Barak Abama said he'd vote against it too.

Sanity -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 10:52:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I am not speaking, this is text typed and sent over the internet. Please educate yourself before you post. Translation: When you get your ass handed to you on a platter, try arguing about semantics instead of the topic. quote: Secondly, the day you start providing any sort of information backing up any of your opinions will be the day I start taking any of your posts seriously. If you haven't read the recent news about the corn protests, it's not my job to provide you with a free education. But it is interesting that you feel free to attack me for not doing your basic research for you, and then go on to say, quote: p.s. My information about how NAFTA is impacting Mexican farmers came from a presentation and panel discussion by graduate students from UCLA studying the issue, so I dont have a link to provide to support my position. Which way do you want it? Not that I rally give a shit how you feel about it, but I find your hypocrisy worth pointing out, just for fun.

popeye1250 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 12:05:34 PM)
ANYTIME the Congress has to do something "behind closed doors" like this POS "Bill" you KNOW that there's something wrong with it! Why would they want to "hide" legislation from The American People? I just got off the phone with John Boehmer's office and they said "thanks" and hung up because they're getting so many calls on it!

Sinergy -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 12:12:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If you haven't read the recent news about the corn protests, it's not my job to provide you with a free education. But it is interesting that you feel free to attack me for not doing your basic research for you, and then go on to say, Yawn. I read about the corn (tortilla) riots in Mexico. Apparently, the rising prices of corn, coupled with the United States buying up all the available stocks, have resulted in food shortages throughout Mexico. According to you, a farmer growing corn in Mexico is making more money. According to me, that same farmer is paying 3x to grow corn over what they were paying when they were making less money. Apparently, we are both somewhat incorrect. NAFTA forced Mexican farmers to purchase strains of corn from the United States, which lacked biodiversity and the ability to thrive in the different climate and soils of Mexico. So apparently, their yields have dropped dramatically as well as a dramatic increase in erosion and negative impacts on the biological system space. You might find this interesting. http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/mexico.htm It is a study on the negative impact of NAFTA on the Mexican people, farmers included. Sinergy edited to add a /

caitlyn -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 12:21:37 PM)
My understanding is that much of the difficulties Mexican farmers have making a profit, has to do with corruption within their own distribution system.

popeye1250 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 2:14:50 PM)
Listening to a clip of Bush on the radio LYING through his teeth about this. ("I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky!") He sounds just like Clinton! Maybe it's just me but when someone is trying so hard to "SELL ME" I just get turned off. When someone is trying to SELL me something it's very obvious.

pahunkboy -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 2:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Look at that colosal mistake called "Nafta." Funny thing about NAFTA, you Americans seem to think you got a bad deal, we in Canada tend to see it the same way....I wonder what the Mexicans think I contacted my rep and senators when "Canada Bashing" was going on. I told them to STOP. I have 2 very good friends in Canada. The issue was wood for building and shortly after Katrina. when we certainly needed it. The US NEEDS Canada, I dont view Canadans as I do Mexicans. Canada is a role model is many areas. [unlike Meixicans] I LOVE CANADA!! Please accept my apoligy for rude tactic of some Americans. We could not have a better neighbor- I would have no problem with Canada joining the US. I been to Toronto and Niagara, your people and cities are beautful. Hugs to Canada! PS- I admire aussies = as well as some EU peoples...... incidently I did recieve a written reply on my complaint about Canada bashing from my senitor. I dont know that I stopped it. But I truly feel it was uncalled for. hugs

popeye1250 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/24/2007 2:46:47 PM)
Pahunk, I don't think Canadians would care too much to hook up with America as one country. I've been to Canada too (P.E.I., Nova Scotia) and liked it! I don't have any "problems" with Canadians at all. As for Mexico I have no desire to go there.

Jack45 -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/25/2007 8:54:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Listening to a clip of Bush on the radio LYING through his teeth about this. ("I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky!") He sounds just like Clinton! Maybe it's just me but when someone is trying so hard to "SELL ME" I just get turned off. When someone is trying to SELL me something it's very obvious. Watching the MSM or reading the MSM newspapers,newsmagazines, we are given, not impartial journalism but propaganda. I do believe that FINALLY the American people are stirring. As Peter Brimelow wrote last night: quote: It is because of this increasing American awareness that immigration enthusiasts, like President Bush, are obliged to disguise their proposals as “immigration reform”—rather than “immigration expansion” or “immigration capitulation”—and to lie about whether their amnesty is, in fact, an amnesty. It is because of this American awareness that the drive to expand immigration has repeatedly been derailed over the last six years—and, hopefully, will be again.

meatcleaver -> RE: Path to National Suicide (5/25/2007 9:04:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy They hate it too, Arpig. It undercut the Mexican farmer who cannot produce food as inexpensively as the United States can, and are being shoved even further back into poverty because they cannot earn enough money to buy things like food. If they're really farmers, then they can grow food - and by your own account, Americans are selling them food more cheaply. But what really makes your argument seem shallow and weak are all the recent news reports concerning the skyrocketing price of corn due to the Greens & Global Warming nuts insisting on replacing new oil fields with ethanol plants. And a lot of Mexicans subsist on corn... so what you're saying makes no sense, any way you look at it. US farmers are undercutting Mexican farmers because US farmers are heavily subsidized by the state. Hence the ongoing row between the US and the EU(who are just as bad). Get rid of the subsidies and there will be a more even playing field which is the point of free trade zones I thought. The EU which has common rules throughout its area does have a level playing field for subsidies and though these do help industrias; agriculture like the US has, it also helps poorer countries in the EU. The poorer countries catch up economically tp the richer countries and increase the market for everyone. Despite British sceptism fed by lousy policies of the British government, this has been proved to be the case.

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