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thompsonx -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:00:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty Where I am, we HAVE to show a government issue ID to vote [military id, drivers license or state id ... passports, social security cards, etc are NOT permitted]. They check your ID twice, once when you give your name ans address, then again after you sign and they give your ballot. Sad thing is, with as many people who ARE registered to vote most don't [I have in EVEYR election since I turned 18, tyvm], more people voted for American Idol last week than voted in the Presidential election, THAT is sad. Maybe they should do the election that way, a call/text in, lol. slaverosebeauty: A passport is government issued ID. thompson

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:16:35 AM)
If someone working the polls is TOO DAMN STUPID to be unable to verify that the signature presented by the Voter is not THE SAME as the one IN THE POLLING BOOK, then they are TOO DAMN STUPID to work at the polls in the first place. The problem, IF ANY, is that of incompetent Voting Boards hiring FUCKING MORONS to work the polls.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:21:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 I never understood the liberal arguement that it is bad to ask for ID before being allowed to vote. I can't write a check anywhere without ID or use a credit card. I can't buy cigarettes or alcohol without ID. I can't drive without ID. Yet they want to let people vote without ID? THAT'S INSANE! jj292: I have never heard the "liberal argument" that one should not have to provide ID to vote. Would you please give us a link to this official liberal position? thompson This is true. Democrats feel that voter ID laws disenfranchise voters and make it more difficult for minorities, women, or the poor to vote. http://democrats.org/a/2006/07/georgia_voter_i.php http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201897.html http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=5071 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/feb/17/voter_id_bill_approved_criticized/?politics http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/gen/ap/TX_XGR_Voter_ID.html The Dems can make up all the excuses they want. The only reason they dont like these laws is because it will bar illegal votes from being cast. And the Dems know most of those votes are for Democrat candidates.

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:40:38 AM)
No, a POLL WORKER with enough brains to: 1) Look at the signature in the poll-book(A) 2) Look at the signature written by the voter(B) 3) COMPARE A AND B. PREVENTS unlawful votes from being cast. I mean, it's so easy... What's the fucking problem?

thompsonx -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:53:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 I never understood the liberal arguement that it is bad to ask for ID before being allowed to vote. I can't write a check anywhere without ID or use a credit card. I can't buy cigarettes or alcohol without ID. I can't drive without ID. Yet they want to let people vote without ID? THAT'S INSANE! jj292: I have never heard the "liberal argument" that one should not have to provide ID to vote. Would you please give us a link to this official liberal position? thompson This is true. Democrats feel that voter ID laws disenfranchise voters and make it more difficult for minorities, women, or the poor to vote. http://democrats.org/a/2006/07/georgia_voter_i.php http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201897.html http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=5071 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/feb/17/voter_id_bill_approved_criticized/?politics http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/gen/ap/TX_XGR_Voter_ID.html The Dems can make up all the excuses they want. The only reason they dont like these laws is because it will bar illegal votes from being cast. And the Dems know most of those votes are for Democrat candidates. cyberdude: You may want to go back and read the links you posted because they do not say what you purport that they do. It would appear from the links that you posted that the Demopubs are against a poll tax and not against voters identifying themselves. Your link clearly points out that republicrats also are against the poll tax they see in these so called ID scams. How is it that you can know that fraudulent votes will be cast only for the demopubs? Has the Amazing Carnac risen from the dead I am sure it was just an oversight on your part and not an attempt to be disingenuous. thompson

selfbnd411 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 1:40:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 I never understood the liberal arguement that it is bad to ask for ID before being allowed to vote. I can't write a check anywhere without ID or use a credit card. I can't buy cigarettes or alcohol without ID. I can't drive without ID. Yet they want to let people vote without ID? THAT'S INSANE! The reason Republicans want government officials checking IDs is to discourage minorities from voting. There have been instances in California in which the Republican Party hired uniformed "security guards" to "protect" polling sites. Survey after survey has shown that white people tend not to fear government officials. They can't understand that for most of America's history, the skulls of minorities have been on the business end of many a policeman's baton.

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 1:58:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 I never understood the liberal arguement that it is bad to ask for ID before being allowed to vote. Your hypothesis is woefully wrong. I'm so Conservative, George Bush is a Fucking COMMIE. And I say "ONLY SLAVES NEED TO CARRY PAPERS". The proper response of any Free Man or Woman to "Your Papers?" is "FUCK OFF NAZI"

Real0ne -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 5:56:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty Can we FINALLY say that we have an illegal immigrant problem? or that thigns have gone to hell in a handbasket, maybe THAT is why it keeps getting hotter. Its not global warming, its hell. so you are saying that osama is correct then? :) errr.... see below LOL

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:01:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 quote: ORIGINAL: jj292 I never understood the liberal arguement that it is bad to ask for ID before being allowed to vote. I can't write a check anywhere without ID or use a credit card. I can't buy cigarettes or alcohol without ID. I can't drive without ID. Yet they want to let people vote without ID? THAT'S INSANE! The reason Republicans want government officials checking IDs is to discourage minorities from voting. There have been instances in California in which the Republican Party hired uniformed "security guards" to "protect" polling sites. Survey after survey has shown that white people tend not to fear government officials. They can't understand that for most of America's history, the skulls of minorities have been on the business end of many a policeman's baton. Self, I've lived in Massachusetts, New Hampshire and S.Carolina in the last 15 years and there are always plenty of Police Officers around the polling places both inside and outside. I just figured all states do it that way. I doubt any citizen is going to be denied their right to vote! And there hasn't been any of what you're talking about going on in this country for decades! The 60's and 50's I think. Most of the minorities who can remember those days are in their 60's and up. You've never been down South have you? That dog doesn't hunt because about half of the Police Officers here are Black! lol The minorities ARE "The Man!" lol I don't know what Republicans do not being one. Don't they have Police Officers at polling places in Calif? If just to direct traffic and keep order. You may want to have your History Proffessor out there get some new textbooks. These days as far as I know everyone asks for i.d. Hell, you buy a beer at a ballgame and they'll ask you for i.d. if you "look under 30."

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:02:38 PM)
In New York, I've never seen a cop in a polling place. And we don't show ID... Last time anyone asked, I gave 'em a choice... ACLU or NRA? But hey, New York has people who can compare the signature of the voter to his signature in the polling-book. I guess people in other states have trouble with that simple task?

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/22/2007 11:08:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle In New York, I've never seen a cop in a polling place. And we don't show ID... Last time anyone asked, I gave 'em a choice... ACLU or NRA? But hey, New York has people who can compare the signature of the voter to his signature in the polling-book. I guess people in other states have trouble with that simple task? Fargle, that's very surprising. Maybe they should make it a law. Hmm, "no i.d." maybe that's why Hillary Clinton chose to run in N.Y.

Vendaval -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 1:45:32 AM)
General reply - From what you folks are saying here and according to the link quoted below, the requirements at the polling places differ from state to state. Anyone know if there are identification requirement differences for differing counties and cities? I registered to vote at age 18. When I lived with my parents the local polling place was usually a hotel lobby. Where I live now it is a church auditorium near the Cal Poly campus. I have never seen a police officer or security guard around either location. We have to verify our home address and sign our names. For some reason, I cannot remember if we have to show photo identification or not? And the people running the poll booth are usually retired folks who are quite pleasant. Your mileage may vary - "Democrats Predict Voter ID Problems" "Laws May Create Election Day Turmoil" By Amy Goldstein Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 3, 2006; Page A01 " Indiana will have the country's strictest voter identification law in effect on Election Day. The 2005 picture ID law, however, puts it among a dozen states that have tightened requirements lately that voters display some form of identification at the polls. The laws have spawned partisan warring, lawsuits and confusion that election experts predict could influence the outcome of some close elections. In the Washington area, Virginia requires all voters to show identification, although it does not need to have a picture. Maryland and the District require first-time voters who registered by mail to bring identification, such as a driver's license or utility bill, to the polls. While the local laws have not been challenged, new voter ID laws nationally are the most widespread, and most bitterly disputed, of several types of voting procedures that states have adopted after the chaotic 2000 presidential election. The procedures include statewide electronic databases of registered voters, which critics allege have in a few states improperly knocked out eligible people. In another procedure, Ohio and Florida -- battleground states that have produced recent contested elections -- have placed tighter reins on groups that work to register new voters. " http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201897.html

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 7:34:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval General reply - From what you folks are saying here and according to the link quoted below, the requirements at the polling places differ from state to state. Anyone know if there are identification requirement differences for differing counties and cities? I registered to vote at age 18. When I lived with my parents the local polling place was usually a hotel lobby. Where I live now it is a church auditorium near the Cal Poly campus. I have never seen a police officer or security guard around either location. We have to verify our home address and sign our names. For some reason, I cannot remember if we have to show photo identification or not? And the people running the poll booth are usually retired folks who are quite pleasant. Your mileage may vary - "Democrats Predict Voter ID Problems" "Laws May Create Election Day Turmoil" By Amy Goldstein Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 3, 2006; Page A01 " Indiana will have the country's strictest voter identification law in effect on Election Day. The 2005 picture ID law, however, puts it among a dozen states that have tightened requirements lately that voters display some form of identification at the polls. The laws have spawned partisan warring, lawsuits and confusion that election experts predict could influence the outcome of some close elections. In the Washington area, Virginia requires all voters to show identification, although it does not need to have a picture. Maryland and the District require first-time voters who registered by mail to bring identification, such as a driver's license or utility bill, to the polls. While the local laws have not been challenged, new voter ID laws nationally are the most widespread, and most bitterly disputed, of several types of voting procedures that states have adopted after the chaotic 2000 presidential election. The procedures include statewide electronic databases of registered voters, which critics allege have in a few states improperly knocked out eligible people. In another procedure, Ohio and Florida -- battleground states that have produced recent contested elections -- have placed tighter reins on groups that work to register new voters. " http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201897.html Vend, I don't think they should use churches for polling places,-seperation of church and state. In New England they tend to use school auditoriums and fire stations. I had to show my driver's lisense in New Hampshire to register to vote and to vote. After you register, your name and address is put on the voting list and on election day you go in, give them your name and show i.d. and they put a line through your name in red pen showing that you voted. Odd that you never saw any Police Officers at the polls. I think Massachusetts "requires" Police at the polling places. They "require" them at all road construction sites whereas other states use "Flagmen." I think Massachusetts is the only state that does that. And if you have a wedding or any other type of gathering with over a certain number of people present you are "required" to have a Police "detail" there! And the Police enforce it because "detail pay" is about $32 an hour for the off-duty Officers who do those details. So, they're not going to let that law be overturned! $[:)] I have no problem showing an i.d. to vote. I don't understand why anyone would unless they have something to hide.

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 7:47:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle In New York, I've never seen a cop in a polling place. And we don't show ID... Last time anyone asked, I gave 'em a choice... ACLU or NRA? But hey, New York has people who can compare the signature of the voter to his signature in the polling-book. I guess people in other states have trouble with that simple task? Fargle, that's very surprising. Why? Aren't your poll workers smart enough to compare 2 signatures? Maybe your state needs a law mandating basic literacy for poll workers instead?

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 8:55:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle In New York, I've never seen a cop in a polling place. And we don't show ID... Last time anyone asked, I gave 'em a choice... ACLU or NRA? But hey, New York has people who can compare the signature of the voter to his signature in the polling-book. I guess people in other states have trouble with that simple task? Fargle, that's very surprising. Why? Aren't your poll workers smart enough to compare 2 signatures? Maybe your state needs a law mandating basic literacy for poll workers instead? Fargle, that answer doesn't make sense. A driver's lisense is much easier.

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 9:03:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, that answer doesn't make sense. A driver's lisense is much easier. There is no law compelling any Free Person to carry identification. What part of: 1. When you register your signature is recorded in the polling book. 2. When you go vote, you countersign your recorded signature ( Like a money order ) 3. Poll worker compares both signatures and establishes your identity. isn't totally clear?

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 10:02:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, that answer doesn't make sense. A driver's lisense is much easier. There is no law compelling any Free Person to carry identification. What part of: 1. When you register your signature is recorded in the polling book. 2. When you go vote, you countersign your recorded signature ( Like a money order ) 3. Poll worker compares both signatures and establishes your identity. isn't totally clear? No, you don't have to carry an i.d. but is it really that inconvenient to carry your lisense inside with you when you vote from yor car? I keep mine in my wallet on my person. Again, you're splitting hairs here. I mean what's the big deal? It's really not even worth arguing about.

Vendaval -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 10:15:37 AM)
That is a very unusual idea to me, Popeye. Requiring police officers at polling places and road constuction? Cal Trans has their own people direct traffic on the highways and city workers do the same inside the municipal boundaries. And at weddings with large amounts of people too? The police in Massachusetts much have a great union! quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Odd that you never saw any Police Officers at the polls. I think Massachusetts "requires" Police at the polling places. They "require" them at all road construction sites whereas other states use "Flagmen." I think Massachusetts is the only state that does that. And if you have a wedding or any other type of gathering with over a certain number of people present you are "required" to have a Police "detail" there! And the Police enforce it because "detail pay" is about $32 an hour for the off-duty Officers who do those details. So, they're not going to let that law be overturned! $[:)]

farglebargle -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 10:27:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, that answer doesn't make sense. A driver's lisense is much easier. There is no law compelling any Free Person to carry identification. What part of: 1. When you register your signature is recorAgaided in the polling book. 2. When you go vote, you countersign your recorded signature ( Like a money order ) 3. Poll worker compares both signatures and establishes your identity. isn't totally clear? No, you don't have to carry an i.d. but is it really that inconvenient to carry your lisense inside with you when you vote from yor car? I keep mine in my wallet on my person. Again, you're splitting hairs here. I mean what's the big deal? It's really not even worth arguing about. I think requiring a Driver's License to VOTE is just plain dumb, and against the spirit of Freedom and Liberty. I walk to vote, so I don't necessarily grab my wallet. Which is fine, seeing as the Voters Board already has my signature on record for comparison. Why not just call it a "Voting License" and stop pretending it's anything but. Remember, the FREEDOM LOVERS response to "Your Papers", is ALWAYS "FUCK OFF NAZI!".

popeye1250 -> RE: Illegal immigrants registered to vote in Texas (5/23/2007 10:28:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval That is a very unusual idea to me, Popeye. Requiring police officers at polling places and road constuction? Cal Trans has their own people direct traffic on the highways and city workers do the same inside the municipal boundaries. And at weddings with large amounts of people too? The police in Massachusetts much have a great union! quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Odd that you never saw any Police Officers at the polls. I think Massachusetts "requires" Police at the polling places. They "require" them at all road construction sites whereas other states use "Flagmen." I think Massachusetts is the only state that does that. And if you have a wedding or any other type of gathering with over a certain number of people present you are "required" to have a Police "detail" there! And the Police enforce it because "detail pay" is about $32 an hour for the off-duty Officers who do those details. So, they're not going to let that law be overturned! $[:)] Vendaval, lmao! Yup! You hit that nail right on the head! Police Unions! And if it's a large business gathering like a trade show they'll have Firefighters on "Detail" there too! My brother's a Lt. up there and he gets those details once in a while. I can see why you should have Police Officers at a polling place, to keep their eyes on the people and ballot boxes. I just thought all states did it.

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