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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 2:48:59 PM   
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That amnesty bill really pisses off Bush's base constituency.




Look at it this way, he had already successfully pissed off everybody else.

Who was left to piss off?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 2:54:30 PM   
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That amnesty bill really pisses off Bush's base constituency.


That's right - and they'll never vote for him again, either!!!

But on the other hand, what is it that John Kerry would have done. Pleased Bush's base constituency?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 3:41:16 PM   
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My disdain for the actions of this Administration as well as my sentiments concerning if President Bush represents a particular party notwithstanding; the reason I don't favor any impeachment proceeding is it would be a waste. It would be a waste of effort, time, and money. The goal, President Bush leaving office, will occur in January 2009. A new administration will be forming next November. What purpose would impeachment serve?

"Feel Good" actions are not productive. Falling for the distraction of this issue speaks to how easily a vast majority of the people can be fooled.

You just changed the majority of Congress; felt any effect? You want the Iraq war ended. Congress has that ability unilaterally by not voting additional funds. They didn't do so. President Bush had nothing to do with that fact. The Senate went against the vast majority of the citizens of this country and put forth an immigration Bill having the same impact as amnesty for the criminal corporations exploiting these people as well as the criminals themselves. Although supported by President Bush - he had nothing to do with that fact.

Good to know we elected a new majority who agreed with the position and policies of a President you are calling to impeach. It would be those same approving Senators who would have to vote to act on the manner. How is that going to happen when they are on the same page regarding funding the Iraq War and the Immigration Bill?


We tossed an old rubber stamp in the garbage only to pull a new one out of the drawer that was made with the same mold.





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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 5:25:55 PM   
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My disdain for the actions of this Administration as well as my sentiments concerning if President Bush represents a particular party notwithstanding; the reason I don't favor any impeachment proceeding is it would be a waste. It would be a waste of effort, time, and money. The goal, President Bush leaving office, will occur in January 2009. A new administration will be forming next November. What purpose would impeachment serve?


And that is why INDICTMENT is so important.

Let them spend 8-12 in a Federal Prison for their crimes.



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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 6:04:41 PM   
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My disdain for the actions of this Administration as well as my sentiments concerning if President Bush represents a particular party notwithstanding; the reason I don't favor any impeachment proceeding is it would be a waste. It would be a waste of effort, time, and money. The goal, President Bush leaving office, will occur in January 2009. A new administration will be forming next November. What purpose would impeachment serve?


And that is why INDICTMENT is so important.

Let them spend 8-12 in a Federal Prison for their crimes.




Right now, I imagine the people in charge of Congress know they would have a fight of epic proportions if they attempted to indict a sitting President.  They would need to get 2/3 of the people of Congress to sign on to it. 

Sun Tsu in his chapter on Tactical Dispositions (4) wrote in principle 15

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory"

The problem with impeachment is if you cannot actually remove the President, it is a hollow gesture which will end in defeat.

After Bush et al are out of office, there will be nobody to pardon them, and victory is assured.

Accordingly remove them from power, then throw them in prison.

As I have previously stated, I imagine the big argument in the Oval Office, with Nancy Pelosi (not involved in any way, shape, or form in the run-up to war or it's aftermath) in the number 3 spot, is who is going to take the fall for the administration's hubris and lies.

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 6:12:42 PM   
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Right now, I imagine the people in charge of Congress know they would have a fight of epic proportions if they attempted to indict a sitting President. They would need to get 2/3 of the people of Congress to sign on to it.


Wrong.

All it takes is a SINGLE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY who is *NOT* a "Loyal Bushie" to present the case to a Grand Jury.

We now understand *why* the ideological purge of the Department of Justice was necessary.



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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 6:17:20 PM   
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Right now, I imagine the people in charge of Congress know they would have a fight of epic proportions if they attempted to indict a sitting President. They would need to get 2/3 of the people of Congress to sign on to it.


Wrong.

All it takes is a SINGLE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY who is *NOT* a "Loyal Bushie" to present the case to a Grand Jury.

We now understand *why* the ideological purge of the Department of Justice was necessary.




Do you mean members of Gonzales' heirarchy or any Federal Attorney in the United States?  I have a friend who is a Federal Prosecutor...

Probably right.

So the next question becomes why, with such a low popularity, has no single US attorney's filed charges against Bush?

I suspect it is because Congress has to agree to convene a Grand Jury.  What percentage of Congress is required to convene that Grand Jury?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 6:29:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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Right now, I imagine the people in charge of Congress know they would have a fight of epic proportions if they attempted to indict a sitting President. They would need to get 2/3 of the people of Congress to sign on to it.


Wrong.

All it takes is a SINGLE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY who is *NOT* a "Loyal Bushie" to present the case to a Grand Jury.

We now understand *why* the ideological purge of the Department of Justice was necessary.




Do you mean members of Gonzales' heirarchy or any Federal Attorney in the United States? I have a friend who is a Federal Prosecutor...

Probably right.

So the next question becomes why, with such a low popularity, has no single US attorney's filed charges against Bush?

I suspect it is because Congress has to agree to convene a Grand Jury. What percentage of Congress is required to convene that Grand Jury?

Sinergy


Why would Congress be involved in the operations of the Justice Department in holding a Grand Jury? I'm must be missing something.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/grandjury012998.htm

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Grand juries typically have 23 members and need 16 members for a quorum. Their terms usually are for 18 months, while some grand juries have two-year life spans.

Citizens drawn from the District jury pool can be called to serve in criminal cases at the federal District Court, or as federal grand jury panel members. While grand jury panels tend to include more retired citizens because of the length of service required, anyone who is eligible to serve can be required to do so.

At any given time, as many as eight separate grand juries are empaneled in the District, each usually meeting twice weekly when there are cases to be heard.


And I don't think you need a Special Prosecutor. A Federal Prosecutor should be sufficient.



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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 6:35:14 PM   
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/


so can we include nost of the federal gov anf fed reserve too?


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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 7:11:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Hey, remember. BOTH SIDES actually there were 4 options on the poll not 2 can equally game this system yes, anyone could game the system if they like, but there is no evidence that they did so.  MSNBC is clearly a left wing oriented News Oepration and their audience is mostly left wing.   And since the system is subject to gaming it certainly has no valididity. 

Therefore any inflation credited to one party its a partisan thing?, is clearly offset No it could be, yet there is no evidence of it by the same inflation possibly, but again there is no basis for you to draw the conclusion that such occured caused by the other."

I have no doubt that at least 88% of people who get thier news from MSNBC want to impeach.

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 7:50:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fine, so, even if the number is half that? 44%

What does that say about Bush's promise to restore Honor and Integrity to the White House?



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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 8:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say that is a larger number than people with a very negative opinion(37%) of him in the latest NBC/WSJ poll. http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm  So it is a number you are making up out of thin air, and means less than nothing.  Realistically I would think perhaps half of those with a very Negative opinion of him would want to impeach, around 18-19% of Americans.  Does that seem reasonable.  Which would be about 3% higher than the number who wanted to on the first day of his presidency.  The 15%ers, I suppose they picked up a few ridicously hard right folks like you and Real, but you weren't going to vote for republicans anyway so it doesn't matter much at all.

I don't think it says much about his promise at all.  Why would your made up number based off of a web poll mean anything?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 8:27:52 PM   
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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 8:36:47 PM   
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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 8:39:09 PM   
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100% of the US Citizens and lawful workers I polled today supported Impeachment.
( I checked their I-9's when I hired them... )

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 8:44:42 PM   
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Well, I care what our friends here think.

100% of the US Citizens and lawful workers I polled today supported Impeachment.
( I checked their I-9's when I hired them... )


Did they know that you'd react extremely negatively towards them if they failed to tell you exactly what you wanted to hear

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 9:12:43 PM   
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Well, I care what our friends here think.

100% of the US Citizens and lawful workers I polled today supported Impeachment.
( I checked their I-9's when I hired them... )


Did they know that you'd react extremely negatively towards them if they failed to tell you exactly what you wanted to hear


They don't care. They're competent, and where *I* make decisions, we don't pay no mind to bullshit-asskissing. No-one has any trouble speaking their mind about anything going on in our department.

Getting them to shut the fuck up is the hard part!

Damn sysadmin with his "Amy Goodman is HOT! Amy Goodman is HOT!"... Oy!



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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 10:13:35 PM   
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Really, what other purpose is impeachment SUPPOSED to serve?

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What purpose would impeachment serve?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 10:16:37 PM   
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Lets get rid of the moneky inthe white house, then we are ONLY forced to have someone else for a year or so. then We just vote in someone with an IQ over a peanut.


*holds up a peanut* Will this do?

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RE: MSNBC POLL: 88% say Impeach Bush. - 5/22/2007 11:47:25 PM   
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That amnesty bill really pisses off Bush's base constituency.




Look at it this way, he had already successfully pissed off everybody else.

Who was left to piss off?

Sinergy


Sinergy, it's not just his base.
Congresswoman Shea-Porter D-N.H. had calls to her office that were "80-1" against Bush's amnesty!
And Congresswoman Marcy Kaptor( D) of Ohio had about the same ratio; "Tremendous number of calls against this" she said on CNN tonight.
There's 64 units here where I live.
I've talked to the people in maybe 50 of them who I see all the time outside of all political outlooks and have yet to find (1) who's for it.

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