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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The things that I was taught I rarely ever see mentioned or referenced in these forums, short of a few individuals who post there.

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I was having a conversation with someone on this the other day. When the Internet first came along, there were those of us who embraced it wholely, and we felt this would manage to bring the bdsm lifestyle into the mainstream. At the same time, there were critics along the way who embraced the Internet kicking and screaming, convinced it would hinder the communities of bdsm by allowing a lot more fakes and lookiloos to make it more difficult for the actual practioners of bdsm to be taken seriously, or to even find each other in the sea of fakeness.

So, the Internet has been around for awhile now. Some members of the community have never even known the world without an Internet. So, has it become a good or a bad thing for the concept of bdsm?

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ORIGINAL: Noah

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


You know...I have asked myself this before and the best answer I can give (though without much clarity), is the true concept of BDSM is something I have heard referenced more as Leather or Old Leather or the Old Ways.

Its a concept that has to do with close knit communities, a code of values and honors, traditions and formalities, respect of seniority, and development of character and skills.

I was taught a lot about this with my short interactions with a neaby local community, mainly from a man who was somewhat of a mentor to me. The things that I was taught I rarely ever see mentioned or referenced in these forums, short of a few individuals who post there. I imagine its also because a lot of these things have their roots in the gay communities.

Many people blame the Internet for the loss of the "Old Ways" and I've heard more than a fair share of people bitch about how new BDSM groups and organizations are increasingly more casual, layed back, and "vanilla" with none of the traditions, protocols, and formalities of the past.

So, hence, when people talk about the "true concept of BDSM", I am assuming they are referencing these Leather concepts as opposed to just BDSM and the kinky sex itself.

Of course, I could be very inacurrate about this. I still have a lot to learn about the history of all this and a lot of it is very hazy and confusing since a lot of it is word of mouth.

As far as the Internet, without it, I would be stuck in a city with almost no scene and a very small undderground and paranoid community and no real way to meet partners my own age short of walking up to random girls and going "Hey, want to be my slave?"

Oh dear. Now we have devolved from the already lamentable "concept of BDSM" (as if there were some such unitary thing) to the twue concept of BDSM.

This devolution has in its favor that it acknowledges that a multiplicity of views can be taken. Counting against it is that it seems to judge each and every one as false... save the single, gwowius (if not Goreous) twue BDSM, of course.

Disgruntled people in most places and times have seemed to yearn for the Old Ways. Bullshit. You glorify the past when your future dries up, somebody said. Mine is pleasantly moist, thanks.

The notion that BDSM has essentially to do with grandiose, intricate and restrictive social structures leaves one having to come up with entirely new descriptors for what two people may do together with no input from a kink community, sensing their own submission/dominance, sadism/masochism, etc. and interacting in ways they find fulfilling in just those regards.

Pity if they have to fall under the heading of False BDSMers, in my view.



Now can someone explain to me what it means to damage a concept?

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The things that I was taught I rarely ever see mentioned or referenced in these forums, short of a few individuals who post there.

I'm curious as to what type things you are referring to?

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Its a concept that has to do with close knit communities, a code of values and honors, traditions and formalities, respect of seniority, and development of character and skills.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The forums tend to focus on individual relationships and the activities of BDSM themselves.

The "communities" tend to talk more about stuff like this...or at least the ones I have been to with people who identity as Leather...

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Its a concept that has to do with close knit communities, a code of values and honors, traditions and formalities, respect of seniority, and development of character and skills.

And most people who go off on a tangent about the "destruction of the concept of BDSM" mostly seem to be talking about the loss of that.

• Old Guard
  
• The Gorean ways
  
• Kingons from Star Trek
  
• Ancient Japanese ways
  
• Vulcuns from Star Trek
  
• Ancient Roman ways
  
• Celtic clans
  
• or anything else that floats ones boat.  

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Nothing virtual can ever replace true intimacy in person.....

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I was having a conversation with someone on this the other day. When the Internet first came along, there were those of us who embraced it wholely, and we felt this would manage to bring the bdsm lifestyle into the mainstream. At the same time, there were critics along the way who embraced the Internet kicking and screaming, convinced it would hinder the communities of bdsm by allowing a lot more fakes and lookiloos to make it more difficult for the actual practioners of bdsm to be taken seriously, or to even find each other in the sea of fakeness.

So, the Internet has been around for awhile now. Some members of the community have never even known the world without an Internet. So, has it become a good or a bad thing for the concept of bdsm?

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The forums tend to focus on individual relationships and the activities of BDSM themselves.

The "communities" tend to talk more about stuff like this...or at least the ones I have been to with people who identity as Leather...

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Its a concept that has to do with close knit communities, a code of values and honors, traditions and formalities, respect of seniority, and development of character and skills.

And most people who go off on a tangent about the "destruction of the concept of BDSM" mostly seem to be talking about the loss of that.

I think the reason why such things are not brought to light in a general forums such as here other places on the internet is because, what if I wish for me an my slave to conducts ourselves in the mannerisms of;

• Old Guard
  
• The Gorean ways
  
• Kingons from Star Trek
  
• Ancient Japanese ways
  
• Vulcuns from Star Trek
  
• Ancient Roman ways
  
• Celtic clans
  
• or anything else that floats ones boat.  

Talk about contrasting code of values, honors, traditions, formalities, respect, character development and skills.  I believe many people shy away from injecting specific cultural beliefs into the boards here.  This could get as heated as politics and religion do.

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I was having a conversation with someone on this the other day. When the Internet first came along, there were those of us who embraced it wholely, and we felt this would manage to bring the bdsm lifestyle into the mainstream. At the same time, there were critics along the way who embraced the Internet kicking and screaming, convinced it would hinder the communities of bdsm by allowing a lot more fakes and lookiloos to make it more difficult for the actual practioners of bdsm to be taken seriously, or to even find each other in the sea of fakeness.

So, the Internet has been around for awhile now. Some members of the community have never even known the world without an Internet. So, has it become a good or a bad thing for the concept of bdsm?