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missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:17:16 PM   
Lordandmaster


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How the hell do you "dine at a nearby restaurant" while your four-year-old daughter is alone in a hotel room?
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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently is a common british practice. Here's the real kicker, it was her adn her twin 2year old brother and sister and the children of their parents friends. My issuse was if you're not gonna use the sitter service provided by the resort, drag your damn nanny with you. Thats what she's paid for correct?

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:35:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently the parents left the 4 year old at the hotel with their twin 2 year olds. Not very wise in my book, but apparently this is a european custom or so another article I read said. Personally I never left my youngin alone until she was 14 years old.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:38:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing.  I wouldn't call it "not very wise."  I'd call it damned near insane.  Children at that age can die in seconds in accidents even if there isn't foul play involved.  What's worse, coming back to the room to find your children missing, or to find them drowned in the bathtub?

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:44:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is sad, and a wake up call to all parents now.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 8:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		If they missed the last wake up call there's little hope for them. Unfortunately, this kind of thing and worse is just going to keep happening every day. Children and babies left to bake to death in their car is one thing that I have a hard time with, one parent thought the other had the child or they just forget they're back there... people get in too much of a hurry, I guess.

I'm just thankful I've had the sense to take good care of my own until this point in time, and I do feel for anyone who has a lapse of reason. Leaving such small children alone in a hotel room though, that's a hard one to understand, even if "everybody's doing it".

I never could, there is no way in hell.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 10:05:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fast reply: Is it just me, or wouldn't the parents be #1 suspect here in the states?

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 10:47:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KeirasSecret

Fast reply: Is it just me, or wouldn't the parents be #1 suspect here in the states?



Cant speak for other states, but leaving an unaccompanied minor under the age of 12 in the state of California is a crime.

I do have mixed feelings about that.  My first babysitting job was at 10.  The neighbors kids I used to babysit would order their parents to go out so I could babysit.

My UMs first babysitting job was about the same age, but we had her parents drop their UMs off so she could watch them at our house with my ex and I present.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 11:40:05 PM   
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I do have mixed feelings about that.  My first babysitting job was at 10. The neighbors kids I used to babysit would order their parents to go out so I could babysit.
 

Why would I think there could possibly be some good stories there?

Still, 4… 10…. I think at 4, I was electrocuting myself with my Mickey Mouse lamp.

I’m just sayin’.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 11:51:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

Apparently is a common british practice. Here's the real kicker, it was her adn her twin 2year old brother and sister and the children of their parents friends. My issuse was if you're not gonna use the sitter service provided by the resort, drag your damn nanny with you. Thats what she's paid for correct?
Just to point out it is not common british practice, i  am british and theres no way on hell i would leave my youngest on his own not even to nip to the local corner shop which is basically 3 doors away. I do however beleive they should have used the sitter service and as for dragging the nanny along not everyone can be lucky enough to afford one

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RE: missing British girl - 5/20/2007 11:59:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

Apparently is a common british practice. Here's the real kicker, it was her adn her twin 2year old brother and sister and the children of their parents friends. My issuse was if you're not gonna use the sitter service provided by the resort, drag your damn nanny with you. Thats what she's paid for correct?


I don't think this is a particularly British pracitce. I know that my parents never left my sister and I alone and actually very rarely used babysitters and I do not know of any of my friends who would ever dream of leaving their children alone.

One of my issues with this case is that there were 3 options available to the parents at the resort they were staying at, a free creche where the children could be left while the parents were out at the restaurant, a free listening service and a paid for babysitter. The parents decided not to use any of them. Both parents are Doctors here in the UK, the father a consultant in a local hospital and the mother a GP. They could, I am sure, afford the babysitting service. Being doctors they should be aware how quickly something can go wrong with children of that age.

It would be interesting to know what the mother would have said to one of her patients if they had told her they left their 2 year old alone while they went down to the pub at night. Some people seem to think that because they are on holiday they can forget their responsibilites and just have a good time.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 2:33:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

Apparently is a common british practice. Here's the real kicker, it was her adn her twin 2year old brother and sister and the children of their parents friends. My issuse was if you're not gonna use the sitter service provided by the resort, drag your damn nanny with you. Thats what she's paid for correct?


Wrong and where the hell did you get that idea.

British parents are equally good as American parents and most of us would not dream of leaving our children home alone.


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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 2:47:44 AM   
Copulo


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Status: offline 		The fact is they made a grave mistake. Maybe they were led into a false sense of security in that sleepy little Mediterranean town or maybe they were just darn right stupid but at the end of the day they have lost their daughter and are going through what must be a living hell.
I read somewhere the other day that people were saying it served them right! That kind of statement makes little Madeline’s life a piece of worthless payback.
Imagine if they find a body or worse, imagine if they never find her. These parents have to live a living hell for ever.
Its obvious from the reports and videos that have come in that Madelines parents loved and cherished their daughter. Its obvious when we see their faces on the news that they are under very heavy sedation just to get through each day. Its obvious that what they did was stupid but its time to move on from that now and put blame to one side whilst we concentrate on trying to find Madeline.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 2:49:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

Apparently is a common british practice. Here's the real kicker, it was her adn her twin 2year old brother and sister and the children of their parents friends. My issuse was if you're not gonna use the sitter service provided by the resort, drag your damn nanny with you. Thats what she's paid for correct?


No way in hell is it an common british practice, how offensive!
I do not know anyone that would even dream of leaving their children alone whilst they ate out on holiday, or for that matter leaving them at all at that age.
Thats what babysitters and on site creches are for however not everyone here has a nanny, its not affordable for many familys.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 2:51:08 AM   
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The fact is they made a grave mistake. Maybe they were led into a false sense of security in that sleepy little Mediterranean town or maybe they were just darn right stupid but at the end of the day they have lost their daughter and are going through what must be a living hell.
I read somewhere the other day that people were saying it served them right! That kind of statement makes little Madeline’s life a piece of worthless payback.
Imagine if they find a body or worse, imagine if they never find her. These parents have to live a living hell for ever.
Its obvious from the reports and videos that have come in that Madelines parents loved and cherished their daughter. Its obvious when we see their faces on the news that they are under very heavy sedation just to get through each day. Its obvious that what they did was stupid but its time to move on from that now and put blame to one side whilst we concentrate on trying to find Madeline.


Here Here! *applauds* Regardless of the whys, fact is a little girl is missing and all those that love her must be in a living nightmare at the moment.

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 5:18:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		This may have been where everyone got the idea that its a common British practice:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/18/world/main2824842.shtml?source=search_story

"Jon Clarke, 34, a physics teacher in London, said parents in Britain are not encouraged to take children to restaurants, and that he would consider leaving his own 3-year-old alone if it was in a safe place where he could easily check on her.

"If you take children to a restaurant in Britain, it's more often the attitude that the children shouldn't be there, whereas in Spain, Italy, France, they're more welcoming," he said. "

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 5:25:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst its true enough that kids are not welcome in most places in UK, its no reason to leave them unsupervised, even if asleep. There are simply far too many nutters left free to roam in the world for the sake of their human rights. In any case, this was Portugal rather than the UK, and so I dont see that factor as important here. I think its rather the case that the children needed their sleep, and the parents wanted an evening out. Unwise.

I wonder if they have remained in Portugal in order to avoid the attentions of UK social services, who are not likely to look on parents leaving children in this way in a favourable light and might even seek to take them into care? (thats how acceptable it is to leave your children here by the way).

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 5:35:45 AM   
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A common British Practise? -
Seriously, that is like saying, war is a common American Practise... and we all know that's untrue, do we not?
 
I do not know of any people that I know, leaving their children like that in their own house, let alone abroad.
In the UK, there is no illegal age to leave a child alone, however a person can be prosecuted when taking into consideration the childs age/maturity/timeleft and reason and whether there are other children with them.(Although under 13 is the age limit to some councils, depending on whether the child is considered to be left at risk).
 
And whether children are welcome or not - that is up to parents.  I just wouldnt go somewhere children are not welcome - personal responsibility etc...
 
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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 5:36:12 AM   
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"Jon Clarke, 34, a physics teacher in London, said parents in Britain are not encouraged to take children to restaurants, and that he would consider leaving his own 3-year-old alone if it was in a safe place where he could easily check on her.

"If you take children to a restaurant in Britain, it's more often the attitude that the children shouldn't be there, whereas in Spain, Italy, France, they're more welcoming," he said. "

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typical it would be a male that says that ,the only places i know in the uk that children are not allowed even if it is for a meal is in a pub

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RE: missing British girl - 5/21/2007 5:38:17 AM   
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