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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 7:03:00 AM   
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You almost sound like Andy Rooney's daughter.


Now THAT is funny. You actually got a LOL from me on that remark. :-)

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 7:07:15 AM   
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Tanning Studio, Hair Studio etc. and I think it is a reflection of the fact that they do not view the BDSM lifestyle as abhorrent or bizarre
 
From a european point of view...
 
A studio is simply a single room - hence - Tanning Studio and Hairstudio are simply all in one room.  A studio apartment is a completely open plan living area where the kitchen/living area/bedroom are all in a single area - even sometimes the bathroom.  A studio is also defined as an area where art takes place (recording studio, artists studio) and therefore as some see domination as an artform, a DominasStudio can fit the bill - hairdressing is an artform, nails are also - so this is another point why they are called studios.
 
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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 7:47:01 AM   
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Not Particularly.
 
If you do study words and language, then you should be aware where the word dungeon evolves from, which could be a reason why you may be questioning the usage of such a word, such as dungeon.
 
The dungeon was usually the main part of a medieval dwelling or castle - not simply held in the bowls of such a building (which would have been the 'donjon'-or the place where the shit goes - including prisoners).  Dungeon comes (eventually through it's word evolution) from the latin 'dominus' which means master - as it was the main room/area in the castle or the keep or tower.  Therefore it was offically the masters main area., which for a female supremist just doesn't work.
 
In other words, call your 'area' whatever you wish - but do no expect it to become universaly accepted immediately if ever at all.
 
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I think you are looking at the cliffs notes version if you think my "research" is not particularly well informed. Firstly, I am assuming you mean "bowels", not "bowls" LOL -

Secondly, and more to the point- if you are just doing a cursory examination of "Domination" , yes it will say something like your meaning that it is derived from a "man"  or "master" like here :

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dominate

Main Entry: dom·i·nate
Pronunciation: 'dä-m&-"nAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing
Etymology: Latin dominatus, past participle of dominari, from dominus master; akin to Latin domus house

However, had you actually researched further you would know that it is not gender specific as you can find another example here:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dame

Main Entry: dame
Pronunciation: 'dAm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin domina, feminine of dominus master; akin to Latin domus house --

You will notice that "Domina" is simply the Feminine version of "Dominus" (Master) and is not in any way "lesser than". You can see an example of popular culture in this reflected in the HBO series "Rome" in which the priimary Female character is sometimes referred to as "Domina" (head of household)

As for the term Domina being universally accepted... I think you are a tad behind the curve on that as the largest directory of professional dominants in the world is the "Max Fisch DOMINA GUIDE" - "Domina Guide" being what Europeans call thier Mistress Directories or whatever you want to call them in addition to the main USA/World one being Max-

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 8:11:20 AM   
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You're asking this to a country that doesn't even use Metric measurements for much!!!

It's America. We do things differently from Europe. We're - for the most part as a generalization - fairly oblvious to much to do with anything outside of our immediate environment. Kids in school can't even identify Europe on maps!

As for studio vs dungeon...Down here in Houston a "studio" is generally a false front for a house of prostition....examples: "modeling studio" and "studio spa"...The only places I use the term dungeon are for places with full equipment that host events...ie: "The Sanctuary in Dallas is the only public dungeon in the state of Texas"...for areas of bdsm in people's homes, we tend to refer to them as 'playspaces' or 'playstation'...As in, "He converted his garage into the most equipped playspace I have seen yet."

But really asking folks in the US why they don't do things like Europe will more then likely have you reminded that we had a revolution to not have to play by their rules a long time ago....Americans are fairly isolationistic. I am pretty sure that's one of the many traits people from other countries use to remain prejudice against our nation. [Or at least that is how those I have asked responded to my question - we're egocentric...]

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Your point is well noted. I think you mean to say ethnocentric. A shame that Americans are so blissfully unaware of the rest of the world- had they not been they would have realized as I did 5 years ago that Iraq would turn out exactly as it has for the reasons which are now abundantly clear to all, not just to me and relatively few others. Perhaps if Americans were not so isolationistic and knew of other cultures history they would have realized that Iraq as a country was only drawn up by the British after World War I, forcing together 3 seperate and distinct entities and we would not have nearly 4,000 dead with the rest of the world hating us for being an Imperial Empire but I digress. It goes beyond the scope of this thread but there is a consequence to being ignorant of the rest of the world, something which we as a society still have not fully realized but in any case I will cease talking on that subject, the last thing I want is to do is open that can of worms so I will shut my mouth about it.

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 8:14:33 AM   
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Tanning Studio, Hair Studio etc. and I think it is a reflection of the fact that they do not view the BDSM lifestyle as abhorrent or bizarre
 
From a european point of view...
 
A studio is simply a single room - hence - Tanning Studio and Hairstudio are simply all in one room.  A studio apartment is a completely open plan living area where the kitchen/living area/bedroom are all in a single area - even sometimes the bathroom.  A studio is also defined as an area where art takes place (recording studio, artists studio) and therefore as some see domination as an artform, a DominasStudio can fit the bill - hairdressing is an artform, nails are also - so this is another point why they are called studios.
 
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Yes, that is more to my point, that over there Domination is viewed as an art form, not as deviant behavior. My point was that using the term Dungeon just legitimizes that view. Peace.

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 8:46:23 AM   
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Not Particularly.
 
If you do study words and language, then you should be aware where the word dungeon evolves from, which could be a reason why you may be questioning the usage of such a word, such as dungeon.
 
The dungeon was usually the main part of a medieval dwelling or castle - not simply held in the bowls of such a building (which would have been the 'donjon'-or the place where the shit goes - including prisoners).  Dungeon comes (eventually through it's word evolution) from the latin 'dominus' which means master - as it was the main room/area in the castle or the keep or tower.  Therefore it was offically the masters main area., which for a female supremist just doesn't work.
 
In other words, call your 'area' whatever you wish - but do no expect it to become universaly accepted immediately if ever at all.
 
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I think you are looking at the cliffs notes version if you think my "research" is not particularly well informed. Firstly, I am assuming you mean "bowels", not "bowls" LOL -

Secondly, and more to the point- if you are just doing a cursory examination of "Domination" , yes it will say something like your meaning that it is derived from a "man"  or "master" like here :

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dominate

Main Entry: dom·i·nate
Pronunciation: 'dä-m&-"nAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -nat·ed; -nat·ing
Etymology: Latin dominatus, past participle of dominari, from dominus master; akin to Latin domus house

However, had you actually researched further you would know that it is not gender specific as you can find another example here:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/dame

Main Entry: dame
Pronunciation: 'dAm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin domina, feminine of dominus master; akin to Latin domus house --

You will notice that "Domina" is simply the Feminine version of "Dominus" (Master) and is not in any way "lesser than". You can see an example of popular culture in this reflected in the HBO series "Rome" in which the priimary Female character is sometimes referred to as "Domina" (head of household)

As for the term Domina being universally accepted... I think you are a tad behind the curve on that as the largest directory of professional dominants in the world is the "Max Fisch DOMINA GUIDE" - "Domina Guide" being what Europeans call thier Mistress Directories or whatever you want to call them in addition to the main USA/World one being Max-

Yup bowel - my typing can be shit sometimes... (couldnt resist)
 
I know that dominant isn't gender specific, that it what I said in my post and it is always helpful to not take peoples words out of context -
 
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Dominant is not a masculine word it is a general description for person/trait/gene etc that is in control above others of the same orientation. 
 
If you do study etymology, you start from the orignal word and work backwards, so I am not sure why you are citing dominate - unless you mistyped to study the word in google just now to gain the inscription.  Like I said before, dominate and dominant were and are not gender specific.
 
I do not think you read my post correctly, as I never said that domina was considered lesser than dominus, simply that in old English, (RE DAME) - Domina was a woman who held land and vassals in alligence to the King/Queen in line with a Baron, who was one of the lowest forms of nobility.(for example, Maid Marion once orphaned would have been a Domina - although that is a partly fictional example, but it works for this case)
 
You simply upheld the information I already offered.
 
And again I will correct you, as you did not read my post correctly as I never said that Domina would not be universaly accepted.  I said that you can call your playroom/dungeon/studio/room you work whatever you want, just don't expect it to be universaly accepted by everyone.
 
And citing unverified books - (such as the Dominas Guide) because as they state - they are guides (not offical dictionaries), instead of the universal etymological definitions which are set offically by the British Library, the American Standard, and the Oxford English, doesn't assist etymology, it confuses it.
No one said that Domina is not universally accepted as a word, but it is not as yet a recognised offical word as there is no written documentation currently (unlike dominatrix).  I do not need to cite my sources, as they are easily gained from the offical books and libraries rather than simply wiki or MW.  I study words, its not just a hobby, it's my fetish -
 
And as for HBO's 'ROME' -
Dominus in latin is pronounced in diferent ways - as dom-mi-noos / dom-in-ai  and dom-in-i
stipulating that there was no gender difference in the word, just depending on the dialects used.  That dominus was simply the head of households/dominant persons male or female.
 
Words' is my thang
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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 8:50:58 AM   
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Tanning Studio, Hair Studio etc. and I think it is a reflection of the fact that they do not view the BDSM lifestyle as abhorrent or bizarre
 
From a european point of view...
 
A studio is simply a single room - hence - Tanning Studio and Hairstudio are simply all in one room.  A studio apartment is a completely open plan living area where the kitchen/living area/bedroom are all in a single area - even sometimes the bathroom.  A studio is also defined as an area where art takes place (recording studio, artists studio) and therefore as some see domination as an artform, a DominasStudio can fit the bill - hairdressing is an artform, nails are also - so this is another point why they are called studios.
 
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Yes, that is more to my point, that over there Domination is viewed as an art form, not as deviant behavior. My point was that using the term Dungeon just legitimizes that view. Peace.

People do still use the term dungeons more regularly over here than 'studio' and in other european countries.  I think that has alot to do with the view of BDSM being more a darkart (you often see people compare it to or describe it as their darkside) - and that with 'dark' the visual conjuring of a dark and uninviting place comes to mind.  Most dungeons or playrooms are simply not that way - not the ones I have visited anyway.  They are usually brightly lit and warm areas - calm too albeit the screams...
 
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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 9:04:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FemaleSupremacy
you must be so relieved to know you dont have the market cornered on ignorance. Guess you took offense and personalized that "little dick" remark. Sorry, no offense intended. I'll let you go back to shooting some more steroids now pee-wee. :-)


WOW! 
I must have really hurt your feelings if you pulled out the dreaded "Steroid Accusation!"

It's so nuts--about once a week at b.com some "dom" whose furiously hurt by something I wrote will make their big comeback: "You, you, can just go shoot some more steroids!!!"  They are usually fat little doughboys, and occasionally skinny little stickmen.

I think it's flattering—when someone feels intimidated intellectually by me, their one salvaging hope is that I couldn't be physically superior as well—I must have cheated.  I mean, it's not possible to just work hard in the gym, eat properly and generally take care of your body?  Because if you have body insecurity, and I look like this just by working hard and taking care of my body, what does that say about you? 

Curiously though, every other person whose tried to salvage their crumpled dignity with a steroid jab (jab, get it?  I made a funny!) has been a guy.  You're the first (ostensibly) "female" person in the last 4 years to do it.  I wonder if you're an ugly woman with body image issues, or a guy with a fake profile?




NB. In snapping a certain person's nose, metaphorically, I talked about body image and resentment.  I know there are people here reading this board who have body image issues, and who feel frustrated and down on themselves—who feel guilty about their bodies.  The last thing I would want to do is make someone struggling with their health and self-image feel worse—forgive me if I did.  I'll tell you a secret: I don't have this body because I am more disciplined, because of superior virtue, or anything that implies you are a failure.  It's mostly because after years and years of trial and error, and then research, I know how to eat and exercise efficiently, how to get off the cycle of diets and aerobics and running and all that crap that creates failure for people seeking health.

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 9:48:12 AM   
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Yup bowel - my typing can be shit sometimes... (couldnt resist)
 
I know that dominant isn't gender specific, that it what I said in my post and it is always helpful to not take peoples words out of context -
 
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Dominant is not a masculine word it is a general description for person/trait/gene etc that is in control above others of the same orientation. 
 
If you do study etymology, you start from the orignal word and work backwards, so I am not sure why you are citing dominate - unless you mistyped to study the word in google just now to gain the inscription.  Like I said before, dominate and dominant were and are not gender specific.
 
I do not think you read my post correctly, as I never said that domina was considered lesser than dominus, simply that in old English, (RE DAME) - Domina was a woman who held land and vassals in alligence to the King/Queen in line with a Baron, who was one of the lowest forms of nobility.(for example, Maid Marion once orphaned would have been a Domina - although that is a partly fictional example, but it works for this case)
 
You simply upheld the information I already offered.
 
And again I will correct you, as you did not read my post correctly as I never said that Domina would not be universaly accepted.  I said that you can call your playroom/dungeon/studio/room you work whatever you want, just don't expect it to be universaly accepted by everyone.
 
And citing unverified books - (such as the Dominas Guide) because as they state - they are guides (not offical dictionaries), instead of the universal etymological definitions which are set offically by the British Library, the American Standard, and the Oxford English, doesn't assist etymology, it confuses it.
No one said that Domina is not universally accepted as a word, but it is not as yet a recognised offical word as there is no written documentation currently (unlike dominatrix).  I do not need to cite my sources, as they are easily gained from the offical books and libraries rather than simply wiki or MW.  I study words, its not just a hobby, it's my fetish -
 
And as for HBO's 'ROME' - Dominus in latin is pronounced in diferent ways - as dom-mi-noos / dom-in-ai  and dom-in-i
stipulating that there was no gender difference in the word, just depending on the dialects used.  That dominus was simply the head of households/dominant persons male or female.
 
Words' is my thang
Peace and Rapture



I honestly am not sure where to begin with what you are saying as sincerely no offense but it is somewhat nonsensical. Not sure I even feel like bothing really at this point because you make so many contradictions it would take too long to sort out but I will attempt to decipher a couple of them real quick.

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Dungeon comes (eventually through it's word evolution) from the latin 'dominus' which means master - as it was the main room/area in the castle or the keep or tower.  Therefore it was offically the masters main area., which for a female supremist just doesn't work.
 


You say "for a Female Supremacist it would not work" but that makes no sense as the word istself is gender specific according to you. That was what I was refering to not being gender specific, not Domination.

But then right away you contradict yourself here because you say:

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

If you do study etymology, you start from the orignal word and work backwards, so I am not sure why you are citing dominate - unless you mistyped to study the word in google just now to gain the inscription.  Like I said before, dominate and dominant were and are not gender specific.



But then you say:

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

No one said that Domina is not universally accepted as a word, but it is not as yet a recognised offical word as there is no written documentation currently (unlike dominatrix). 
 


If you start from the original word and work backwards, which I agree with then why do you contradict yourself and consider "Dominatrix" as a universally accepted word? By the way, that was partially part of my original point as it is SOLELY in the US that Dominatrix is used, the rest of the world (which understands etymology apparently better) uses Domina, which is the root word. -trix is a superfluous suffix to denote Female gender which is extraneous because the word Domina is already Feminine specific. As stated earlier the word Dominus is male.


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And as for HBO's 'ROME' -
Dominus in latin is pronounced in diferent ways - as dom-mi-noos / dom-in-ai  and dom-in-i
stipulating that there was no gender difference in the word, just depending on the dialects used.  That dominus was simply the head of households/dominant persons male or female.
 
 
As for the series "Rome" and the use of Dominus- sorry you are wrong- the house slave in that series uses "Domina" to address the Female lead, not Dominus. I would not personally ascribe my understanding of a word to a TV show but in this case they seem to be correct.
 
From Etymology Online:
 
 

domination
c.1386, from O.Fr. domination, from L. dominationem (nom. dominatio), from dominari "to rule, have dominion over," from dominus "lord, master," lit. "master of the house," from domus "home" (see domestic) + -nus, suffix denoting ownership or relation. First record of dominance is 1819; dominatrix is attested since 1561, though not in quite the usual modern sense ("Rome ... dominatrix of nations" [1561]).
 
In any event, whether you are wrong or not. I really could not care less. You are way off in the weeds here. The only reason I addressed the word as an issue with you is because you stated: "Dungeon comes (eventually through it's word evolution) from the latin 'dominus' which means master - as it was the main room/area in the castle or the keep or tower.  Therefore it was offically the masters main area., which for a female supremist just doesn't work."
 
Meaning... you say it does'nt work because it is "male" related, which you contradict yourself a minute later by saying dominus is NOT male related. Which is it?
 
As for Max Fisch Domina Guide being a book... where have you been? I was just going to say what Professional Domina has not heard of MaxFisch.com - but then I just looked at your profile just now and see you are a submissive so that explains a lot I suppose. Not that there is a thing wrong with that, or that it makes you unqualified to comment but seems odd to have such strong, (yet erroneous) positions on the matter.
 
Anyway, you are giving me a headache with really obscure and pointless, irrelevant issues at this point. I never claimed to be a word expert like you, I merely said it interested me. If words are truly your life, you might have missed your calling. For someone who does claim to be such an expert, you might want to consider getting a refund from your University. LOL
 
If it makes you feel better to be under the delusion you are right- go for it. A recent survey in the good ole USA found that 50% of our moronic population actually believes the Sun revolves around the Earth. Does'nt make it so. I am done with pointlessly debating something which is peripheral at best to the discussion. Unlike you, I simply have better things to do with my time.
 
Peace and love to you-
 
 
 
 


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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 10:00:21 AM   
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WOW! 
I must have really hurt your feelings if you pulled out the dreaded "Steroid Accusation!"

It's so nuts--about once a week at b.com some "dom" whose furiously hurt by something I wrote will make their big comeback: "You, you, can just go shoot some more steroids!!!"  They are usually fat little doughboys, and occasionally skinny little stickmen.

I think it's flattering—when someone feels intimidated intellectually by me, their one salvaging hope is that I couldn't be physically superior as well—I must have cheated.  I mean, it's not possible to just work hard in the gym, eat properly and generally take care of your body?  Because if you have body insecurity, and I look like this just by working hard and taking care of my body, what does that say about you? 

Curiously though, every other person whose tried to salvage their crumpled dignity with a steroid jab (jab, get it?  I made a funny!) has been a guy.  You're the first (ostensibly) "female" person in the last 4 years to do it.  I wonder if you're an ugly woman with body image issues, or a guy with a fake profile?



Honey, if you truly believe I am intellectually threatened by you, your brain is even smaller than that little thing between your legs. In all seriousness. I dont like to be insulting, so I will cease. Simply because you initiated the insults is not relevant. I should not allow myself to be pulled down to your knuckle-dragging level. I made the comment about your steroid abuse because you are showing a picof you with a sleeveless t flexing. If you were so proud of your intellectual capacity instead, then you would have shown a CAT- scan. :-)

I cant even remember what you initially wrote now, even though I read it about an hour ago so it must have been pretty forgettable as as just mentioned to someone else I have better things to do than live on this board. Apparently I am alone in that here. I was simply asking a basic question that I thought might have been of use to the overall community at large and apparently you guys here have nothing better to do than start flame wars and instigate. You guys have fun. I am bored with you now.

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 10:19:55 AM   
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Well, as an interest of etymolgy, I assumed that you would take the year and country into consideration.
Castles denotes medieval - which is old english... taken from latin (dominus which is a masculine word, not a male word - distinct difference)
 
I said, therefore the word dungeon is an old english word that denotes a male area and therefore that could be a reason why it would not word comfortable for some female supremists.  Dungeon may come from dominus -  but depending on the evolution the word evolves - it isnt confusing, it's simply a example of how a word evolved through two distinct centuaries and at that moment, dungeon was the main keep of a castle (a bit like a mens smoking room in a club).
 
Dominatrix is now an accepted word in official dictionaries, whereas domina is still only accepted in etymology as a female baron - that was my point on that one.  And whether the Max Fisch guide is a book or a guide is irrelevant.  It is NOT a book that makes the definitions as it does not have that authority or offically recognised. That is like saying that the Deviants Dictionary is an offical source!
 
But I am 'a submissive' *1 (apparently - although I never claimed I was) who never claimed to be a word professional, just that it was my fetish - and I don't go around attacking posters who may disagree with personal attacks on their steroid usage or that they aren't showing appropriate behaviour for 'a submissive'*1 (I think you really need to read profiles) in your personal opinion.  I simply offered some more information (which I thought this was all about - discussing word evolution and why words are used)
 
 
Peace and Rapture
 
(*1 - 'a submissive' in etymology and word study as a noun does not 'offically' exist)

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 10:38:31 AM   
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It's so nuts--about once a week at b.com some "dom" whose furiously hurt by something I wrote will make their big comeback: "You, you, can just go shoot some more steroids!!!"  They are usually fat little doughboys, and occasionally skinny little stickmen.

I think it's flattering—when someone feels intimidated intellectually by me, their one salvaging hope is that I couldn't be physically superior as well—I must have cheated.  I mean, it's not possible to just work hard in the gym, eat properly and generally take care of your body?  Because if you have body insecurity, and I look like this just by working hard and taking care of my body, what does that say about you? 


Faramir has an excellent point.  If you're not a lifter or a bodybuilder, it's easy to accuse people who do work hard to get strong, fit bodies of having done drugs instead of work.  But what most people don't understand is that there is no "instead".  You can take all the steroids you want and they won't get you anything but a busted liver if you do it wrong, unless you're also working out like an insane animal in the gym.  So the accusation is pretty much moot anyhow.  Nobody can just take a shot or a pill and get instant muscles.  Steroids are biochemicals that optimize various body processes (or de-optimize them) for the specific environment of muscle growth and sometimes fat loss.  But they don't do your gym work for you.

At one time I was pretty seriously immersed in lifting and bodybuilding culture, and I also researched steroids, because a whole lot of other people were taking them and recommending them.  I personally didn't end up taking any, but I know what the effects are and I know what they look like.  It's fun to watch professional wrestling and giggle over who's taking what, because it shows.  I'd have to say that based on his profile shots, Faramir is not currently taking them in any quantity, or probably wasn't at the time the photos were taken.  I don't know Faramir personally and have never met or talked with him offline or online.  I'm not a physician and have not done his blood tests.  So I can't swear he's never done 'roids in his life.  But I would have no specific reason to disbelieve him if he said he had not.  There are some classic "steroid physique" hallmarks and he doesn't have nearly enough of them that don't occur normally to make that accusation fair or reasonable. 


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ORIGINAL: FemaleSupremacyHoney, if you truly believe I am intellectually threatened by you, your brain is even smaller than that little thing between your legs. In all seriousness. I dont like to be insulting, so I will cease.


For not liking to be insulting you've certainly indulged quite a bit.  No one's sexual orientation or personal beliefs about gender based supremacy gives them a license to be discourteous to others.  That would apply to everyone in this particular pissing match.  Faramir was remarkably rude as well as inaccurate, completely failing to understand your point of word connotations versus word origins.   The derivation of the term is correct, but social connotation was the issue.

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I was simply asking a basic question that I thought might have been of use to the overall community at large and apparently you guys here have nothing better to do than start flame wars and instigate.


Yes, she was.  The fact that it's basically impossible to have an academic discussion in these boards without personal insults and bullshit says a lot about the maturity level of too many of the participants. 

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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 10:40:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FemaleSupremacy
Honey, if you truly believe I am intellectually threatened by you, your brain is even smaller than that little thing between your legs. In all seriousness. I dont like to be insulting, so I will cease. Simply because you initiated the insults is not relevant. I should not allow myself to be pulled down to your knuckle-dragging level.


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RE: Dungeon vs. Dominastudio - 5/17/2007 11:04:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Faramir
Wow--for someone who is "fascinated by...etymology (the study of the root of words), " you're intensely ignorant of etymolgy (the study of word roots).


She didn't claim a degree in the subject, just an interest, and she really didn't do too badly except for using the term origin when she meant "most common recent social connotation."  Instead of correcting her terminology and discussing the actual issue, which really is interesting and relevant to leather culture, you decided to get personal and rude.  No kudos there.

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While there is one denotation of "Mistress" as a married man's paramour, the etmology of the word is through Old French back to Latin.  Just as Master and Mistress trace their roots from Maitre/Maitress to Latin as Magister, so to Dominus and Domina are the Latin masculine and feminine variants of lord and lady.  I mean, etymologically, both sets of words are utterly equivalent.  Just as Master and Mistress are feminine and masculine variants of Magister (a school master), so are Domina and Dominus as lady and lord.


Technically correct, but not what she was discussing.  Very few people care about the Latin roots of a word, but most people do care what a word means here and now.  Connotation is significantly more important in actual usage than denotation, and certainly more important than derivation.  Starting a personal mudslinging fest over the difference between connotation, denotation and etymological origin is really not admirable, and says more about your motives than her error.

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Tell you what sweetcheeks--if Female Supremacy rests in hands like yours--it ain't happen'.


I'm not a big fan of any gender supremacy as I think it's no different and no less loathsome than race based supremacy.  When it's strictly a consensual fantasy, I have no problem with either gender play or race play.  But it does tend to raise my red flags as a possible symptom of Top's Disease.  Of course another symptom of Top's Disease (or another way to sift out who may have it) is to see who is insecure enough to come out kicking and screaming with personal insults as soon as they see another top claiming supremacy.   S'kind of fun to watch, sort of like pro wrestling. 

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