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The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 1:14:12 AM   
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By ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer Mon May 14, 3:37 PM ET
 
LONDON - A 40-second rant by a British Broadcasting Corp. reporter, shouting angrily at Church of Scientology official while researching a documentary, has become fodder for a simmering dispute now playing itself out in Internet video clips.
John Sweeney's outburst came as he was interviewing Tommy Davis, a Scientology spokesman who had objected to Sweeney's use of the word "cult." Sweeney's rant was captured by BBC's Panorama program, to air Monday, and Scientology video cameras.
"I look like an exploding tomato and shout like a jet engine and every time I see it, it makes me cringe," Sweeney said in a story posted on the BBC News Web site.
"I apologized almost immediately, Tommy carried on as if nothing had happened, but meanwhile Scientology had rushed off copies of me losing it (my temper) to my boss, my boss's boss and my boss's boss's boss, the director-general of the BBC," Sweeney said.
The Church of Scientology, whose members include John Travolta and  Tom Cruise, shadowed the Panorama team with its own camera crew.
A church spokesman denied that Sweeney apologized, and said the organization was putting its own documentary about the dispute on the Internet.
Mike Rinder, a Los Angeles-based spokesman for the Church of Scientology, said he had taken the documentary to the BBC.
"Not one of them would look. The arrogance that has been displayed in this is a little beyond comprehension," he said.
The first clip on the Scientologists' documentary shows Sweeney describing the BBC as sometimes "hideously hidebound" and hampered by bureaucracy. "There are people there who claim salaries who frankly are morons," he says.
Excerpts of the Scientologists' documentary have been posted on YouTube, apparently taken from one of the 100,000 DVDs of its program that the church distributed, Rinder said.
Another clip on YouTube, from the same documentary, shows Sweeney at a movie premiere shouting at Travolta, "Are you a member of a sinister brainwashing cult?"
The BBC offered links to its footage and its own news report on its Web site.
Panorama's editor, Sandy Smith, said Monday he was "disappointed" by Sweeney's outburst but added that the Church of Scientology has "no way of dealing with any kind of criticism at all."
Rinder said it was not the first time that the church had made its own recordings of reporters doing stories about it.
Sweeney refused an invitation to visit the church's headquarters in Florida, Rinder said.
"When we found that he was refusing to literally come inside the building, it was at that point that we went, 'OK we better document this,'" Rinder said.
Sweeney said his outburst came while he was touring a Scientology exhibition in Los Angeles, "Psychiatry: Industry of Death." The exhibit included a mock-up of a Nazi torture chamber, he said, adding that he lost it in the "Mind Control" section of the exhibition.
"I have been shouted at, spied on, had my hotel invaded at midnight, denounced as a 'bigot' by star Scientologists, brainwashed — that is how it felt to me — in a mock-up of a Nazi-style torture chamber and chased round the streets of Los Angeles by sinister strangers."
Rinder said the material in the exhibition came from psychiatric archives. "It's all documentary and its all on video, that's why we did it," he said.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070514/ap_en_tv/bbc_scientology

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 1:19:43 AM   
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Miyamoto Musashi, in the Go Rin No Sho, states that the most effective way to deal with opponents is to take the combat to them.

The sad thing is that so many people want to engage in the conflict before a conflict ever exists.

"Cant we all just get along?"  Rodney King.

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p.s.  yes, I understand the irony of a multiple felon who attacked police officers making that statement, so dont even bother.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 1:53:22 AM   
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This is a clash of civilisations. Belief in silly superstition against a culture that can't believe someone believes in that shit without being brainwashed.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 4:54:27 AM   
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Coupled with the typical arrogance of BBC "current affairs " employees who appear to think that the world revolves around them.

Some media "shitehounds" have been complaining about lack of info. being given out in the investigation into that missing child in Portugal.; be surprised if the BBC is not amongst them.
As if telling the media should be central to the investigation. Eff 'em I say !

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 5:30:17 AM   
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This is a clash of civilisations. Belief in silly superstition against a culture that can't believe someone believes in that shit without being brainwashed.


Personally...my faith in what Americans will beleive without brainwashing is constantly getting lower and lower.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 5:46:42 AM   
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I don't know. I just watched the interview and the reporter said: "Some people havwe said that Scientology is a brainwashing cult ..." and the interviewee interrupted him, right then and there.
 
The interviewee's response did make it seem as though the report had personally used those words or voiced that opinion, in the past but, we are not treated to that information.
 
Now, that could have been the Scientologist just spinning things to fit his opinion. The good Lord knows, I've had that happen right here; where I type something, people don't quote it but give their interpretation to try and paint what I said in a different light.
 
Ultimately, however, the church member makes the point that religions are guaranteed freedom, in this country and while I may not view Scientology as a good religion, my criteria (that they don't preach hatred), has been met (I believe) so, live and let live.
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 6:40:13 AM   
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It's not a religion, it's a cult.

It's not concerned with G-d, gods, or the lack of gods/G-d at all, and isn't that the DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of a religion?



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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 7:59:05 AM   
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I always thought that religion was a set of beliefs; matters of faith which could not be proven.
 
I am a Christian but, I could no more prove the existance of God than I could prove that the universe is limitless. I take that on faith.
 
I don't know a whole lot about Scientology but, I know that it's most public practitioners espouse a belief in a higher power and they don't preach hatred. That's good enough for me, as long as no one demands that I follow it.
 
 
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 8:23:19 AM   
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Scientology isn't a religion or a cult. It is a scam. After Hubbard wrote Dianetics he wanted to get out of paying taxes on a book that had turned out to be something of a hit. He invented the "religion" of scientology to avoid taxes on the book sales.

Then he apparently went bat shit insane. He invented this evil little scam to defraud innocents with e meters and more books and classes. But he actually needed some religious mumbo jumbo to feed to the really dedicated so he invented Xenu and that whole space opera.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 8:34:33 AM   
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Yeah, he got "bat shit insane" like a fox and made a shit load of dough off of dupes who fall for all of his mumbo-jumbo.  Can anyone say, "Scam Artist"?

Anyone who believes Scientology is a religion and falls for it, deserves what they get.

Here's one of the "classes" my poor, dumb shit, little sister fell for when she was an impressionable 17 year old.  She had to sit across a table from a "higher level" Scientologist & stare at her, without blinking for as long as possible.  That was it.  That was the entire "class" and this cost her, back in 1973, $35.  Shit, it was nothing more than a staring contest.  I would have done a staring contest with her for only 10 bucks.  She got smart after that and never went back and threw the Dianetics book in the garbage, where it belongs.  Too bad, she was out a very nice suede jacket she sold to get the $35 to pay for the "class".  I guess she got a different sort of lesson out of that experience.

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Scientology isn't a religion or a cult. It is a scam. After Hubbard wrote Dianetics he wanted to get out of paying taxes on a book that had turned out to be something of a hit. He invented the "religion" of scientology to avoid taxes on the book sales.

Then he apparently went bat shit insane. He invented this evil little scam to defraud innocents with e meters and more books and classes. But he actually needed some religious mumbo jumbo to feed to the really dedicated so he invented Xenu and that whole space opera.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 8:34:52 AM   
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I don't know a whole lot about Scientology but, I know that it's most public practitioners espouse a belief in a higher power and they don't preach hatred. That's good enough for me, as long as no one demands that I follow it.


The space aliens, don't forget about the space aliens!



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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 8:54:53 AM   
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"THERE IS NO SCIENCE IN "SCIENTOLOGY"".

If they lie in the name of the cult, they will lie about anything.


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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 10:20:53 AM   
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It was truly the greatest thing in entertainment when Trey Parker and Matt Stone (creators of South Park) declared war on scientology.  Verily i say unto you my children those episodes were among the greatest episodes of television that ever were =P

Just, in general, Scientology is a religion in that thousands upon thousands of people use it to guide their spiritual growth.

Scientology is not a religion in that, as far i have seen, they have based their entire belief system upon one man, and not on multiple perspectives, nor multiple prophets, nor multiple witnesses (such as Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity).  Nor is there any basis in facts, observations, or multiple sources of information that the average person can draw from in their own life (such as Shinto and Infernalism).

Scientology is a cult due to the definition of the word by traditional science, not the warped, social word it became, which means "a small religious movement, with beliefs counter to or completely different from a culture's mainstream religion".  In America and the U.K., Buddhism, Shinto, Daoism, Scientology, and Voodoo are all cults, because they are small, and are completely different from mainstream religions (in said countires cases, Christianity).

Scientology is not a cult by the definition that emerged after the 1970s which is "small extremist religions which harm members, worship a single person as a diety, and claim financial domination over members". scientology has a way out, -this- definition of cult does not.  By this definition no, people are stupid mindless sheep, that's why they go to scientology, not because they were coerced into it.

Anyone who wants to believe 80million years ago that some Darth Vader brought all of the dead alien souls from his galaxy here on DC-8s is free to do so.

Don't expect me not to laugh.

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RE: The Cranky Scientologists - 5/16/2007 1:26:45 PM   
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4.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.



5.
Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.



6.
a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.



7.
the members of such a religion or sect.



8.
any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult



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