CuriousLord
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No worries about the past.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Though...you do make me giggle a little bit.
Since at the end of our last "argument", you said the point of debate was communication...
And I kind of question how well you are communicating to the majority with this...lol...
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As humans, the very basis of who and what we are is constantly modified. The base self suffers a decay function while an input counters it to come to equilibrium. If one controls another's input stream, one is capable of changing another as the previous base decays to negliable amounts. This change is not complete as the quanta of amount is unlikely to come to a zero count as a decay function is a power and statisical fluxes will only take over notably once the general amount is already within an order or two of magnitude of the individual quanta.
This said, you can change anyone you control over time. However, it can take an unrealistic amount of time, given our limited life spans. The degree to which you can inspire change will then be a proportion inspired to the degree of which one controls input and the resulting equilibrium.
Which is a very brilliant way of saying the human beings are constantly learning and forgetting and if you can control what they learn, then eventually all their old knowledge will be replaced by new. However, human deaths makes complete change impossible since they will die before they can forget and relearn...unless started at near birth. (This is why I say we arent Gods).
Yeah, the mortality does put a hamper on things.
I'm afraid this is the best I can do as a means of communication when I'm really tired. I modify almost everything I say to more common English, even the above, but the degree to which I can do it's often related to how much patience I have at the time of writing, which can be pretty low when I'm tired. Plus I deplore losing accuracy in simplifying stuff. Your translation's a pretty good one in the way of getting the basis of the argument down.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I'll exclude the notion that free will governs change...that even if you control the input, the decision rests on the individual to "input" it or reject it since you have made it clear that as an Athiest, you dont agree with the philosophical belief in will.
Forget that some psychologists beleive that people are just simply born the way they are. For example, I've read a number of articles that state that sociopaths are simily born sociopathic and will be sociopaths until the day they die, regarldess of any treatment or "control of the input."
Those psychologists in the "nature versus nurture" sort of debate annoy a tenth ring of Hades out of me.. I mean, it's obviously both. The nature of a person is the starting template, and the nurturing is going to alter that template. The degree to which marginial changes in either effects the end result is a valid debate to have, but, grr.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
What do you feal is ethical in your modifications?
Not sure. I've spent late nights up, having an existential crisis over how to define myself, and that readily apparent definitions show me as dying every moment.
When it gets down to it, the best I can tell that I am is this feeling of the moment- this transitory thought that will die in moments. The emotion, the thought, subsides, and, it's dead. I'm dead. The next thought takes it's place, in pretty much the same body, with almost identical memories and no time to consider the fact that it's a different thought before it, too, dies.
Then, perhaps, one could define himself as a set of memories and experiences. In this regard, we're constantly dying- from complete definition- or changing, in the partial view.
Or one can adopt the traditional view that self is a either a body or a spirit that's anchored within a body. These are the most comfortable but least accurate takes.
I would argue that changing another finds its root of imorality in the way it kills what they used to be. This would be a moot point if what was dies anyhow. Thus, I would argue that, the further one backs away from the tradiational view, the less immoral changing another would be. This doesn't take into account other mitigating factors.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I feal an ethical responsibility to influence someone to change for the better of themselves as opposed to solely my wants and needs. If dominance is about authority and control, then why does it exclusively have to be used for your individual wants and needs.
I posted the "Masterhood" thread with this being similar to a factor in mind.. just how vastly different dynamics can be in sentiment. Again this isn't me challenging you being Dominant in your relationship- this is my point.
My last "M/s" relationship, my "slave" obeyed me. More than any sub had- by a large margin. She did and acted as I told her. She was to obey me in all things.
Still, she had goals. She was a very bright girl with a motivation to excel in college. You should've seen how distraught she was after scoring a 92% on a quiz (which, in this college, was still an A..)! While she was to obey my every command, she was still responsible and liable for her own actions, too.
I suppose the main point of this is she had her own direction in life and she trusted that being completely submissive to me would not deter her from it, but, rather, promote her in that direction. This is a contrast to by current slave who does not have a direction in life that doesn't concern what I tell her to do. She would like to go through college and go to vet school.. but, she's always quick to point out when I ask her what she'd like to do, it isn't her decision. She'll be happy with me, despite whatever I tell her to do with life. This is a huge difference from my previous relationship in which my last "slave" would've likely
Sorry, time's up, something's come up. I gotta run. I'll try to pick this up later.
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