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Has Anyone Here Heard Of "Mission Creep"? - 5/8/2007 8:07:56 AM   
Real0ne


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This is one of the best explanations i have seen to date on "mission creep" and how it works and why we do not feel it as it happens, thus why we do not fight it only to eventually forget it.  (but some never forget)

This is a great read because it applies to everything in our lives both in the us and throughout the world.

http://www.pmt.org/~alnor/Right_To_Drive.html

Actually this is especially good for our uk friends to understand why we take such a hard stand on issues that seemingly "should" have rules, this is why we get so adimant about guns and frankly should be adimant about a lot more.


check it out let me know what you all think.


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RE: Has Anyone Here Heard Of "Mission Creep"? - 5/8/2007 8:27:03 AM   
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I think the writer made a bad choice in choosing cars. He says that the individual has a right to travel and cars are the most convenient way to travel. Yet does that right mean gangs of workers have to cover over what amounts to thousands of square miles of virgin land? Does that right to travel mean the right to pollute other peoples air and destroy their environment? Does their right to travel include all the innocent deaths that are caused on the roads each day, never mind each year? I don't know about the USA but here, car travel is subsidized out of general taxation, there being a short fall in what is collected directly from car drivers and costs much more in subsidies than train travel which causes less environmental damage and less deaths on the road by a loooooooooooooooooooooong way.

So lets get back to the crucial point. Does someone have the right to travel? An emphatic yes! Does that person have a right to travel in a way that creates an unacceptable negative impact on other people? No!

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RE: Has Anyone Here Heard Of "Mission Creep"? - 5/8/2007 4:23:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

I think the writer made a bad choice in choosing cars. He says that the individual has a right to travel and cars are the most convenient way to travel. Yet does that right mean gangs of workers have to cover over what amounts to thousands of square miles of virgin land? Does that right to travel mean the right to pollute other peoples air and destroy their environment? Does their right to travel include all the innocent deaths that are caused on the roads each day, never mind each year? I don't know about the USA but here, car travel is subsidized out of general taxation, there being a short fall in what is collected directly from car drivers and costs much more in subsidies than train travel which causes less environmental damage and less deaths on the road by a loooooooooooooooooooooong way.

So lets get back to the crucial point. Does someone have the right to travel? An emphatic yes! Does that person have a right to travel in a way that creates an unacceptable negative impact on other people? No!


well thats not what the op was about but thats kool we can run with it!

My question to you how were we to avoid it?  How are you to avoid it?  Dependency on fossil fuels was bread into us as much as unlawfull taxation and a very long list of other things.  When it is bread into us by the government and PTB, first by selling it to us that it is the "way to go" over 100 year period who are we to blame?   ou grand parents?  Many of whom never even graduated the 8th grade?  we have 12 grades here that are mandatory before being called an adult and go out into the work force.

So who do we blame?  "we the people" ?   The system is so entrenched what shoudl we do about it?  you tell me?


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RE: Has Anyone Here Heard Of "Mission Creep"? - 5/9/2007 5:03:03 AM   
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Not that it will happen but if people were made to pay for all the costs and damage their travel creates rather than hiding many costs within the smoke and mirrors of the tax system, many of the environmental problems and much of the impact travelers make on other people will take care of it self. People will then think twice before traveling because of the cost it is to themselves and all without anyone interfering with someone's right to travel.

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RE: Has Anyone Here Heard Of "Mission Creep"? - 5/9/2007 3:19:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Not that it will happen but if people were made to pay for all the costs and damage their travel creates rather than hiding many costs within the smoke and mirrors of the tax system, many of the environmental problems and much of the impact travelers make on other people will take care of it self. People will then think twice before traveling because of the cost it is to themselves and all without anyone interfering with someone's right to travel.


well the problem is that this stuff has been sold to us and not only sold to us but has there been a big move to alternative?  NO but WHY?  because big oil wants to stay big forever and soak us into bankruptcy.    Simpoly put no one knows what to do about it.  people like me we just build our own shit done deal, but most cannot do that.


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