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The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 8:49:55 PM   
GhostWhoWalks


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Status: offline 		I was reading a book, "The Master's Manual; a handbook of Erotic Dominance", by Jack Rinella, published by Daedalus Publishing Co., ISBN # 1-8819430-3-8.
It identified 14 characteristics of a Master.
They are as follows;
"A Master;

1) Has self-confidence.
2) Is trustworthy
3) Has self-control
4) Accepts responsibility for the relationship.
5) Understands that he has control, and understands the
use of control.
6) Understands the responsibilities and the depth of the
relationship.
7) Understands himself
8) Masters are mature through self-knowledge and raised
consciousness.
9) Masters are consistent.
10) Masters use common sense.
11) Masters have empathy.
12) Masters have compassion.
13) Masters have knowledge
14) Masters have an appropriate level of skill.

In my opinion, this is missing something;
15) A Master should know and understand his slave.
This is one man's opinion; I'm guessing there are other attributes a Master should possess.
What has been left out, that should be on the list?
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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 8:54:54 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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http://www.collarchat.com/m_926661/mpage_1/key_characteristics/tm.htm#927025
most important virtues

http://www.collarchat.com/m_158262/mpage_1/key_dominant%252Ccharacteristics/tm.htm#158262
what is dominance?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_81695/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#81695
What are the signs/traits of a good dom?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176730/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#176730
"real doms"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_223089/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#223089
a submissives perspective

http://www.collarchat.com/m_257771/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#257771
what I look for in a good owner

http://www.collarchat.com/m_284665/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#284665
top ten characteristics I want in a dom?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_339652/mpage_1/key_dom%252Ctraits/tm.htm#339652
nature of dominance

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 9:01:46 PM   
Slavetrainer2007


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Status: offline 		While these are all good traits including #15, what makes a master a master is something that has long be debated and no one can agree on. 
People define a master different ways. And all these debates  about what defines a master has taught me something valuable.

That lesson is  the only thing that matters in regards of if your master or not , is if the one you  own/collared  considers you their master/mistress. As long as those you have under your control consider you master who gives ten squats what people online think? who care if they think you are a master or not?  at the end of the day the only one who really matters is that one which wears your collar. And as long as that one considers you master consider yourself honored to be their owner. And dont worry about if  Joe Dough  from anytown USA thinks your a master or not. What he thinks shouldnt matter to you and if what he thinks does then you got serious self esteem issues.

So at the end of the day ask yourself this: Does she who wears my collar consider me her master? and if the answer is yes then you are master, at least to her. and as far as im concerned she is the only one that counts. ... unless of course you have multiple collars.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 9:02:33 PM   
ICGsteve


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Status: offline 		Masters must understand and be able to manipulate the dynamics of power....that is a big one not there. Really though, BDSM has not been main stream for very long, and few thoughful people have written on it. This is starting to change, if you want to read something worthwhile pick up "Dark Eros" by Thomas Moore if you can find it, or "Finding God through Sex" or "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida. Deida is not into BDSM much but he understands the sexual roles and power as well so he has a great deal of insight.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 9:41:43 PM   
robertolapiedra


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Status: offline 		Hello GhostWhoWalks. I think one could get by with Strength, Leadership and Focus. Health  insurance helps too! RL.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 9:43:09 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		I am still attempting to master toilet paper but I think it is something that needs to be on the list as without it, well most relationships will just stink.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 9:57:23 PM   
robertolapiedra


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Status: offline 		Hello SimplyMichael. Shit! you're right! and lube! I forgot about lube! RL.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/7/2007 11:01:22 PM   
BondageTopJere


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Status: offline 		Hmm.  Lemme see.  Got 2-4, 8, and 10-13 down pretty good. Seeing (hopefully) for 1.  I could argue 5-7 are unknowns for any potential relationship, 9... well, glad I'm a Top and can pass that off as spontaneity , and 14 is arguable as their always a new and being on worked on skill.

Did I miss one?

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 4:47:07 AM   
PairOfDimes


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Status: offline 		Substitute "person" for "master" in your OP and it's a nice, if redundant, list of good behaviors. I'd add rationality and precision, and make a few of the entries less vague, but it's a perfectly fine list.


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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 5:50:40 AM   
slavejali


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Status: offline 		I think what's missing is...

A master should have a hot ass and really strong looking hands...and...

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 6:12:29 AM   
sambamanslilgirl


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Status: offline 		Daddy has that and more ...and i don't have to call Him "master"




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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 6:44:27 AM   
IrishMist


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Status: offline 		I look for the more obvious ones; loyalty, integrity, fortitude, honesty, honor....

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 7:22:52 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks

15) A Master should know and understand his slave.


As we really can't fully know or understand another person (hell, we have enough trouble trying to figure ourselves out), I'd suggest adding, "attempt":
A Master should attemp to know and understand his slave.

But, I prefer Master Skip's list:
http://www.mastertaino.com/Qualities_of_a_Master.htm

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 8:32:41 AM   
velvetears


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks

I was reading a book, "The Master's Manual; a handbook of Erotic Dominance", by Jack Rinella, published by Daedalus Publishing Co., ISBN # 1-8819430-3-8.
It identified 14 characteristics of a Master.
They are as follows;
"A Master;

1) Has self-confidence.
2) Is trustworthy
3) Has self-control
4) Accepts responsibility for the relationship.
5) Understands that he has control, and understands the
use of control.
6) Understands the responsibilities and the depth of the
relationship.
7) Understands himself
8) Masters are mature through self-knowledge and raised
consciousness.
9) Masters are consistent.
10) Masters use common sense.
11) Masters have empathy.
12) Masters have compassion.
13) Masters have knowledge
14) Masters have an appropriate level of skill.

In my opinion, this is missing something;
15) A Master should know and understand his slave.
This is one man's opinion; I'm guessing there are other attributes a Master should possess.
What has been left out, that should be on the list?
--



i would add integrity, honor, morals/standards/ethics, self awareness, a keen sense of intuition, a sense of humor, flexibility, humility, a desire to dominate, skills to do so

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 8:42:22 AM   
MstrssPassion


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks

I was reading a book, "The Master's Manual; a handbook of Erotic Dominance", by Jack Rinella, published by Daedalus Publishing Co., ISBN # 1-8819430-3-8.
It identified 14 characteristics of a Master.
They are as follows;
"A Master;

1) Has self-confidence.
2) Is trustworthy
3) Has self-control
4) Accepts responsibility for the relationship.
5) Understands that he has control, and understands the
use of control.
6) Understands the responsibilities and the depth of the
relationship.
7) Understands himself
8) Masters are mature through self-knowledge and raised
consciousness.
9) Masters are consistent.
10) Masters use common sense.
11) Masters have empathy.
12) Masters have compassion.
13) Masters have knowledge
14) Masters have an appropriate level of skill.

In my opinion, this is missing something;
15) A Master should know and understand his slave.
This is one man's opinion; I'm guessing there are other attributes a Master should possess.
What has been left out, that should be on the list?
--



Mr Rinella is making the point of what makes one a Master.

A Master is still a Master without a slave.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 9:13:07 AM   
losttreasure


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Status: offline 		There's nothing wrong with this list... it is a fine list of good characteristics for any Master to have.  I would even go so far as to say I was very fortunate in that I looked for and found someone who possesses all of these and more.  

However, there is a difference between saying...

1) A good Master has these characteristics,
2) Someone who possesses these characteristics is a Master, and
3) One cannot be a Master unless he has these characteristics. 

People will read and draw their own conclusions.

Personally, I believe they apply equally for both sides of the D/s. 

Edited to Add:  Is there a Master here who would honestly not want his submissive to be someone who...

1) Has self-confidence,
2) Is trustworthy,
3) Has self-control,
4) Accepts responsibility for (her role in) the relationship,
5) Understands that she has control (of herself and her reactions), and understands the use of control (by him),
6) Understands the responsibilities and the depth of the relationship,
7) Understands herself,
8) Is mature through self-knowledge and raised consciousness,
9) Is consistent,
10) Uses common sense,
11) Has empathy,
12) Has compassion,
13) Has knowledge,
14) Has an appropriate level of skill, and
15) Knows and understands her Master?


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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 2:01:48 PM   
LdyCougar


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Status: offline 		I think a guide referencing the virtues and traits Mr. Rinella thoughtfully composed has much merit as a gold standard. I perceive a master/mistress to be one who has strong leadership ability, knowledge, virtue and  integrity.  A title of respect - not easily attained or held. An honour.

(as opposed to any simple idiot who finds an even more vacant idiot to call him/her "M") 
- oh wait... "simple idiot" could well be a master. very zen...   
( so complex)

PS TY,  MFM.
Master Skip's thoughts are an added bonus. Very thoughtful and deep.

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/8/2007 5:30:25 PM   
CMastersen


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Status: offline 		So - Let Me get this straight:
Those who want to Live the alt Life Style with No Rules - there are actually rules?
We/we Totally reisist Mainstream rules just to then make another set of rules?
;)

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RE: The Master's Manual - 5/9/2007 4:42:48 AM   
MstrssPassion


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Status: offline 		what made you think there were no rules?

You seem to have adapted to that internet based slashy-speak rule & it looks as though your attempting to apply the other internet based rules of capitals. Maybe you just don't like the rules that would actually translate to situations off the net...

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